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#21 ·
im not saying it couldnt be used for auxilary uses...but like that, its not much of a vehicle. and i agree that not all situations call for humvees, and i do know theyre are dune buggys and things of that sort in use by the army, but that simply looks like it would be pretty slow compared to anything else its size.

if the Army was looking for a light transport with light armor and good mobility, that could simply be a Wrangler or Unlimited with a few modifcations..this J8 would kinda be too heavy to be light, and too light to be heavy.
 
#22 ·
KazJeep said:
That Jeep has every after market accessory I could ever want!
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Kaz, don't you think the Jerry Can on the side is a bit over the top though... :D
 
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#23 ·
If I were taking a city, I say give me a tank, if I'm a fwd observer (if they even have those anymore) give me a jeep! Heck, drones are going to take over everything, so I guess it doesn't much matter anymore :-(
 
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jgg204 said:
on a side note...how is your Liberty going? i've been taking notice of them on base a lot...i'm starting to think maybe it would be a nice vehicle to have. what have your MPG's been averaging so far?
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When we got the Liberty, with about 3,000 miles, my wife was averaging a little of 18 MPG. It now has a little of 4,000 miles and she is averaging a little over 19 MPG. By contrast, the JGC I drive to work has been averaging between 19.3 and 20.4 MPG.

I'm surprised at how many people feel the 3.7L is underpowered. Either they have way too high expectations or they haven't driven a Jeep powered by it. Speaking for the Liberty, it is an excellent engine. While the Liberty isn't as quick as the XJ, let there be no mistake, if you don't want grass to grow under the tires, it is very capable. Yes, I am still biased toward the 4.0L, but the 3.7 is a nice substitute. I want to see the new Phoenix engines starting next year.

It is a very nice riding vehicle. I now can see why most people who buy the new Liberty like them. The steering is nice and crisp with a tight turning radius (but not as good as the XJ, but better than the JGC that I am now driving). The seats took a little adjusting to, but now I like them. Brakes are very good.

Haven't had the opportunity to take it off-road, but I will before the snow starts flying to make sure everything checks out. It has hill descent control, which I would like to check out to see if I like it better than manual braking.

BTW, my son is in the process of putting a new (used) engine in the XJ. He is buying it off us and has changed all gaskets and other odds and ends before installing it the vehicle. Glad to see it will be back on the road.
 
#25 ·
Hoosier,

What model year is your Grand?
My in-laws had a mid 90's with a 6 in it. They would get low 20's on the road most of the time.
 
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joesjeeps And don't forget an M38A1 was sometimes equipped with a tactical nuclear cannon. Unfortunately said:
LMAO, I do not know why that's funny to me, but it is.:hammertime:
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#28 ·
I think the J8 would be an excellent idea for use in the USA, it would free up our gas guzzling HMMWVs for deployment. Serving in the US the Jeep wouldn't need all the heavy armor that plagues our HMMWVs.
 
#29 ·
I can think of several uses for a military grade Wrangler folks. Too many of you are focusing on convoys! What about fire department command vehicles for places like Hill AFB Utah; Nevada; Afghanistan? What about Security Forces perimeter control? First Response Medical? Civil Engineering?

Being in the SOG I can tell you personally that we could find a use for this Jeep and apply it to almost every operation we use. Far too many people get caught up on what the media portrays war to be...convoys.
 
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Interesting topic!

Out of curiosity I did some digging around. The Egyptians are buying J8's, for patrols and auxiliary purposes, and as another stated, it's about functionality and mobility. I drove an unarmored LMTV into Iraq in a convoy of soft-skinned HMMWVs. All the doors were even put in shipping containers before we left the U.S. since a canvas door won't do anything but get in the way! It's not all about heavy exuberantly-priced armored RPG magnets (or as the insurgents would say, 'magnetic force-shielded' when their wild shots miss!). Besides, wont' do them much good to attack a 50+ light vehicle convoy with hundreds of soldiers in body armor, armed with everything from rifles and hand grenades to .50 cal machine guns and 40mm automatic grenade launchers :wow: Besides, there was an armored concept, see the last video.
I found a couple videos in which we are told they could be ordered in the US with the Liberty's former 2.8L diesel, or a 5.7L HEMI. They are given some heavy duty equipment and a lift for heavy hauling off-highway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beHF-9ZkMTI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lRtvZKUBHI

Also, enjoy and towards teh end (2:20) there is a armored J8: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7neyKDBR8IU
 
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#31 ·
I just want to start by saying, I love Jeeps, and I know that Jeeps were first Military vehicles. However, the needs of the Military has changed and Jeep has not. Anyone who has seen modern combat knows that. If we would have shown up in Iraq and Afganistan with these jokes, our causality list would be ten times larger then it already is. To emphisize my point allow me to illistrate.
in 2003 we showed up in Iraq with standard HMMWV's
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After the initail invasion we had to upgrade to our HMMWV's to counter the insergents
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In a high number of cases those HMMWV were not offering enough protection so we brought in Dragoons
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Those were older vehicles and needed replacing so the Stryker was introduced
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The Rhino was specificly designed to take a land mine blast from direcly underneath protect the personnel inside.
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Ok this may look cool but where does it fit in? I think this is just an attempt at Chrysler to land a fat Government Contract in order to stay afloat.
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#32 ·
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This is the Titan, a vehicle currently being researched by the Military to replace the HMMWV. If Chrysler could compete with this they may have a chance at the contract.
 
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#33 ·
robi454, I agree, though even in the U.S. military, all are disposable.. we raised our hand saying we'd sacrifice our lives to complete our mission and to protect others. When the cost to keep us alive exceeds our value, which our government overall does seem to value its defenders greatly, that is when we have to make use of what is already available, including our minds.
 
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You are correct. I am constantly being reminded how disposable I am. As a dog handler, one of my jobs is to sweep convoy routes on foot prior to the convoys heading out.

All I am saying is that after all the upgrading the military has done to protect its war fighters, I don't see us going backwards to the Jeep. Now it is quite possible that the jeep could be used back in the States to replace what we call the CCUTV's.(regular commercial vehicles used for light noncombat roles).
 
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robi454 said:
Now it is quite possible that the jeep could be used back in the States to replace what we call the CCUTV's.(regular commercial vehicles used for light noncombat roles).
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possibly. on my army base all of the hauling is done by decommissioned Humvees or pickup trucks (F-150, Silverados, Dodge Rams, etc). i don't see the army going out and buying brand new Jeep J8's b/c they look cool. these decommissioned Humvees would need to break down. but, then they'll just get more decommissioned Humvees from theater and strip those down.

the Humvee is a work horse, and they don't just quit running. they keep running and running. the Army would need a legitimate justification for scrapping perfectly working vehicles to buy Jeep J8's.
 
#36 ·
Exactly my point. This is just an attempt from Chrysler to get some more government money. I deal with a lot of vehicles at work, Military and civilian specs, and other then the special purpose vehicles (HMMWV's, LMTV's, basicly vehicles made only for the military) and I know how much the government pays for them.

Take an F-350 Superduty. Whats the wholesale price tag on one if a private company were to pruchase ten of them? 40k maybe 50k, the govenment pays 60k to 80k when buying hundreds of them.
 
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#37 ·
robi454 said:
Exactly my point. This is just an attempt from Chrysler to get some more government money. I deal with a lot of vehicles at work, Military and civilian specs, and other then the special purpose vehicles (HMMWV's, LMTV's, basicly vehicles made only for the military) and I know how much the government pays for them.

Take an F-350 Superduty. Whats the wholesale price tag on one if a private company were to pruchase ten of them? 40k maybe 50k, the govenment pays 60k to 80k when buying hundreds of them.
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government overpays for EVERYTHING...except for hotels. gotta love the military per diem :smiley_thumbs_up:
 
#40 ·
i just don't see where the Jeel J8 will fit in. i know we love jeeps...but the fact is that most hauling / transportation jobs on base can be accomplished with pickup trucks (F-150's, Silverados, and Rams). anything too big to accomplish with these pickup trucks, that's where the decommissioned humvees come along. are they fuel efficient? nope. have they already paid for themselves in combat theater use? yep. will a Jeep J8 fleet be more expensive to purchase (even if it is more fuel efficient) than keeping around decommissioned humvees or continuing to decommission humvees from theater? of course it will be more expensive.

while i love the Jeep...i don't ever expect it to get back into military use again. it's a new type of warfare these days and our soldiers require a vehicle that's more robust than a jacked up Wrangler with bells and whistles. on the domestic front, there are already vehicles (and more vehicles in concept phases) that accomplish the Jeep J8's intended purpose much much better.

believe me, it's every current general's wet dream to be able to drive around in a Jeep on base. it's just not like the good old days anymore...
 
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