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#21 ·
Esetter said:
Sorry to hear that. I drove two Patriots with 5speeds and they both shifted fine, a little tight, but that seems kinda normal with brand new vehicles. I've also owned and driven a whole lot of manual transimission vehicles over the years and I found the Patriots I drove to be far from the worst, certainly not the best, but far from the worst.
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i have to agree with Esetter, i've been driving manual for 20yrs, and while you compared em to hondas, which is the goldstandard for slushboxes as far as i'm concerned, the pat 5sp is not that bad. sure it coulda used a 6 sp, but hey, this is chrysler, its cheap all the way, oh and i've been a chrysler employee for 15yrs so i know what i'm talking about. just my .02$
 
#22 ·
Do the CVT's have a Converter Lock-up?

I live in fairly hilly country. It's not Colorado, but its not Florida, either. I cruise the freeway every day to work. My experience is this... I kick the cruise control on and roll along at 65. 2200 rpm. When I come on a hill I let the revs build to 2500, then I slap the Autostick right and it DROPS into 6th and holds 2500 rpm at 65 all the way to the crest. At the crest I slap right again into "D" and the Pat's revs DROP back to 2200. That sounds like a converter lock-up to me. BTW..Using this technique has raised my avg fuel consumption to 24 mpg from about 22. Might just be due to less friction as the engine/transaxle breaks in, I'm not sure. I only have 3100 miles. The Pat will normally go all the way to 3000 rpm in these same hills leaving it in "D" and the cruise on.
 
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#24 ·
Another thing to ponder is that maybe the 2500-2700 RPM range is the sweet spot for this engine?

My 3/4 ton Diesel gets better MPG's at 1900RPM than it does at 16-1700 or at 21-2200...My Redline is 3200RPM's if I recall correctly, haven't driven her since August.
 
#25 ·
dm1333 said:
I'm sorry you are having problems with your manual transmission, have you brought it in to a shop and complained about it? My manual transmission is just fine and I like the mileage I get with it.
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You being in Fort Bragg know most of this drive I'm sure, it's Mountainous, it's Hairpin, it's looooong.

I went from Antioch, Ca (East Bay, if not familiar) up 101 to Redcrest (Avenue of the Giants) back down 101 to 1. I filled up in Cleone and took 1 down to Bodega Bay before cutting back to 101 via Valley Ford Rd/Bodega Ave to get home.

I had 2 adults, 3 kids, 48qt Chest and various other stuff.

In Cleone I was at 29.31mpg.

From Cleone to home I got 30.49mpg.
 
#26 ·
I have a Manual 2008 with 38k on it and i get 24 city 28 highway, on one trip i got 31MPG on a 300 mile stretch. At this point I feel the engine very well broken in and the milage is very predictable. The manual still shifts great and with the K&N I feel the manual is peppy and the 4x4 is solid in the snow. Hope that helps.
 
#27 ·
Engineeringtech said:
I don't get you guys arguing about 25 or 28 MPG. My FDII CVT gets 20 -21 MPG highway and I go 55 to 60 mph and never pass. In fact, I drive like there's an egg under my foot.

The dealership says it's normal. Yeah right........
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The EPA estimated fuel economy for the FDII is 20 city and 22 highway. Your numbers align with that. I do not understand the complaint?
 
#28 ·
Afmcronnie, I'm totally with you on notching up the CVT to keep the RPMs down. I do it all the time. 6 will usually do it, 5 if its more steep, but keeping the RPMs down is key to fuel economy.

APT I must respectfully disagree on Americans being too lazy to shift a manual tranny. Maybe some are, but I chose a CVT in my Patriot because 1) I thought it was nifty and 2) my wife has a 5spd in her Wrangler: God forbid one of us ever breaks a leg, we'd be down to one vehicle. I remember how frustrating it was in high school -- I'd just gotten a car and couldn't drive it because I had surgery on my clutch foot. :( I'm sure you're right about the EPA not including hills in their tests -- that's way too 'real world' for the government.
 
#29 ·
There are several considerations in my mind:

  • If you want the "Trail Rated" = CVT/Automatic
  • If you are cannot use a clutch due to health reasons or not willing to learn = CVT/Automatic
  • If you like having both hands free at all times = CVT/Automatic
  • If you are concerned about fuel economy = Manual
  • If you like more power for passing or like to control when you have more power = Manual
  • If you enjoy the feel of a stick (i.e. stick shift) = Manual
 
#30 ·
Anyone know anything about tranny filler neck. My issue is mine is broken off . This is the second tranny . Are the filler necks replaceable . It's a cvt and should I trust it if they just flush the system . Not sure how long it's been broken . Please can anyone help me with useful info she sit at my local dealers


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#31 ·
Harbor said:


I've been driving sticks since age 14 (my brother's Austin Healy), and the Pat is clearly the worst I've ever shifted, including VW's, Simcas and an old Benz 4on the tree. Mine is like an old milk truck - need a Google search to find 5th.
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A great piece of literature, and very descriptive of how I've found most Chrysler/Jeep manual transmissions. I had a Volare with 3-on-the-floor. It was really a 4-spd with no 3rd gear. 1st = very low 2nd = not much higher 3rd = overdrive. It was a real nuisance in hilly terrain because it wouldn't go much more than 40 in 2nd gear. Later I had a (miserable) '93 Cherokee that had the harshest shifting pattern imaginable. From 1st to 2nd required a fair amount of body strength -- people with bad backs would be helpless-- and 2nd to 3rd wasn't much easier. Our '93 Wrangler had a shift lever that felt like shifting with a string of spaghetti, and 5th was so far away it required a field trip.

That said, Wifey's latest 2011 Wrangler shifts decently, it just has so many unnecessary gears (6 total) as to make shifting an ongoing chore. :Racing: Typically I'll shift 1-3-5 or 2-4-6. I could be be half way to Rhode Island before geting through all 6 of those those gears.
 
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