Hello all, I have had two alignments but still get that floating feeling when I run accross ice on the highway. It is a very disconcerting feeling of no controle though the AWD system seems to compensate, it still makes the hair on the back of my neck stand on end. Anyone else experiencing this? Any ideas? Perhaps the folks aligning the pat didn't know what they were doing?
Back end floating on ice
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Oh, the only apologist for FCA on here is JeepCares who monitor this website. All they will do is intercede if we have problems with our dealer or problems the dealer can't remedy. The rest of us are just Patriot owners who come here to brag when we're happy and commiserate when we're not. Moderators are just volunteers who keep watch over the site as best we can.
Who knows, maybe some one of us has experienced you problem and found a solution.
Who knows, maybe some one of us has experienced you problem and found a solution.
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Absolutely, In highway snow, no problem-Great traction and stability. It is great.
You also state that you have the front wheel drive model...... big difference than the AWD model with ETC, ECC Etc. The engagement timing of these devices has to be perfectly tuned together to work with the ESC on Glare ice roads. I truly believe that your front drive Patriot handles better than your Wrangler under slippery road conditions. No doubt about it.
But...... In all of the posts on the internet regarding fishtailing Patriots I have never seen anyone come up with the cure or a system to analyze the inter workings of the various sensors.
Does one start with the throttle position sensor, then the ECC module adjustment or what?
It seems to be a real money maker for the dealership. What is the procedure for making one of these run right?
Nobody seems to have the answer. Or the procedure.....Except installing the traction dial selector on the newer models. Which i do not believe is an option for a 2014 model and earlier model.
Like I said earlier. Our 305 mile trip took 8 hours and sixteen minutes to travel (only during time was counted.). We were passed by every vehicle headed west on Hwy 8, 51, 29 and 94. We did manage to pass one plow truck who was doing 30 mph and that was it. We averaged 37 MPH overall. Cars in the ditch, a 350, an Explorer and one semi.. We could not keep up with anybody and they were not traveling at unreasonable speeds. So......
If you have the correct diagnostic procedure to correct this unacceptable situation , please lay it out and share it with us.
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Why did chrysler cancel production of the jeep cherokee xj ? It was a very good unit. They didnt cancel the patriot cause of traction control problems. Fiat got into the picture and chrysler started using fiat 500 platform hence the renegade model. May wanna take patriot to dealer and have it checked out if you havent already. Possible trade-in for Subaru....
When Chrysler/Jeep was taken over by Fiat to become FCA, they announced that the Patriot and first generation Comass would continue in production until the end of their marketing cycle. Models only stay out there for a few year before being replaced. Some of it is planned obsolesence, some of it is advances in technology, some of it is government regulations -- these all combine for a particular platform to need replacement, even if the name-plate is retained, e.g. Compass.
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If Fiat/ Chrysler ever sent a re-flash to the dealer body for Fixing Patriot fishtailing it would be the same as admitting they had a problem and open the doors for lawsuits. ?
2014 Sport 4X4 FD2 Off-road, Falken Wildpeak A/T, All weather & convienance group, EVIC, ATC, Hitch
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Wow, I'm definitely glad that my '14 FD2 has never experienced this in the 4 Buffalo winters that I've had it. Is there different ESC programming between the FD1 and FD2 models?
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The decision to shut down patriot production was not because of a defective 4x4 system. Fiat shut down the Patriot production because they were made in the USA (Big$), now the new Patriot (the Compass) is made in Mexico (cheap). Fiat also wanted to incorporate the "Blowfish" I mean Tigershark engine because it's made in Italy. The Patriot was a combination of Japanese engine/transmission and an American production line. None of which helps the Italian economy, so it had to go no matter how popular it was.
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You asked we tell...
Not sure what that has to do with your back end floating on ice. We have forums for General Info and for Off Topic conversations.
Regardless of its relevancy to our topic, but in answer to your question I'd suggest most people on here aren't experts in automotive technology, but a few probably are. Advertising not so much. You've come to an automobile site and the people who populate this site have an interest in what they're driving so they probably know a little more than average.
I'm no expert but I've been driving for almost 50 years and I've learned a few things along the way. Even before that I was blessed with a Dad who was into cars, both professionally and personally so he taught me a lot of stuff. I suppose others on the site may have had a similar upbringing. Lucky if they did.
This being a forum about Patriots, even a novice about vehicles may have had a problem solved and shares the solution with others on the site. We learn from hanging out with each other. That's what we're here for. Please share what you know, and learn from others who know what you don't. "As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another."
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The 1st Gen Patriot/Compass was due for a refresh. 10 years with minor updating to Patriot necessitated a change. Numbers for Patriot were assisted by fleet sales and a continued low price for people to get into the Jeep family. Well I'm totally off topic now ? Forgot to add that Jeep toyed with an EV Patriot years back, even had a test mule running around.
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I found an easy step-by-step guide for driving on icy roads.
Step 1:
Slow the f--- down.
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Seriously though, the last three major storms we've had, I've passed at least one car stuck in a ditch on the side of the road on the way to or from work. If you feel it getting squirrely, slow down. Even the best tires in the world won't save you if you're going too fast.
A lot of people have this fantasy that because they have AWD or 4wd they will have better traction in ice and snow. Yes, AWD & 4wd are better at getting you started and moving slowly through deep snow. However, AWD & 4wd are no better at stopping and slightly worse on curves.
Think about it: How on earth does more power to the tires help you stop or corner better? The thought is ludicrous.
In every case you are at the mercy of your tires.
I don't think they had AWD . . .
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