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#21 ·
rockymountainguy said:
lets face it this cvt technology is fairly new in cars, its been around for a while in snowmobiles but...
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Nope. Subaru was using it in their little 3 cylinder Justy back in the 80s.

The CVT is a very simple technology- far simpler than a traditional automatic transmission. The real trick was controlling the thing so it was workable (computer technology needed to advance to the point where it was cheap enough to include) and create a belt that would take enough torque to move anything bigger than a micro-econobox. JATCO (the maker of the Patriot CVT) has quite a bit of experience with them, and while some are likely to fail for whatever reason (manufacturing tolerances stacking just so, defective parts, etc.), the majority should be every bit as long lived as a decent automatic transmission, if not more so (provided proper maintenance is done).

Again, if you think major parts breaking is likely enough for you to see a payment of over 10% of the new vehicle MSRP as a wise investment, I would heartily recommend finding a vehicle that you find more trustworthy. If the dealer pushes the warranty that strongly, I would tend to watch their face when I tell them that if they think it's that likely to let go, I'd better find another vehicle that's more reliable.
 
#22 ·
Personally I did go with an extended warranty when I purchased my Jeep, but my main reason was because the Jeep sat for many months on their lot and did not move.

I mean heck it was assembed in June 2008 and when I took it for the first test drive at the end of March it only had 11KM on the odometer.

I only purchased the 5yr/100KM warranty ot cover everything else until the Power Train warranty expires at the same point. My main thought was if the A/C needs to be rebuilt due to sitting, and if any suspension parts fail due to the long wait. I paid $1499 plus tax with $0 deductable my warranty is now valid in both Canada and the US plus if I need a rental it is covered and a Hotel if necessary.

Oh yes the warranty is a Chrysler warranty through Service Contracts Canada which is owned and operated by Chrysler Canada.
 
#23 ·
klingoff said:
Personally I did go with an extended warranty when I purchased my Jeep, but my main reason was because the Jeep sat for many months on their lot and did not move.

I mean heck it was assembed in June 2008 and when I took it for the first test drive at the end of March it only had 11KM on the odometer.

I only purchased the 5yr/100KM warranty ot cover everything else until the Power Train warranty expires at the same point. My main thought was if the A/C needs to be rebuilt due to sitting, and if any suspension parts fail due to the long wait. I paid $1499 plus tax with $0 deductable my warranty is now valid in both Canada and the US plus if I need a rental it is covered and a Hotel if necessary.

Oh yes the warranty is a Chrysler warranty through Service Contracts Canada which is owned and operated by Chrysler Canada.
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Am i reading this correct? You paid $1500 just to extend the 3 year basic warranty an extra 2 years or 40,000kms?
The warranty that comes with the vehicle in Canada is 3/60k bumper to bumper and 5/100k powertrain. Its pretty crappy compared to US warranty, but $1500 for that 2 years/40k is pretty steep.
 
#24 ·
This is a repeat of another post of mine but I bought my Patriot back in September of 2009.

I got the Chrysler MaxCare Lifetime with $100 deductible for $1665 after shopping around. The cheapest place I found:

www.chryslerwarrantys.com

I checked up on them and the site is run by Topor Dodge in Chicopee MA and they are an authorized Dodge Dealer so it's legit.

TIP:
Don't buy it right away after you get to the price page. If you wait a day or so, they'll try to entice you further by sending you a promo code via email for an additional discount. At least they did with me.

I used the above quoted price (printed out the email) and my local dealer matched it which was good since I'd rather my money go to a local company.

NP
 
#25 ·
$2700 does seem a little steep. I think I only paid $1100 for the 5yr/60k miles bumper to bumper extension. Haggle them on the price.

no one is rebuilding the CVT's now, but that doesn't mean in a few years that they won't be. Once warranties run out, the parts supply markets will start carrying them, often times upgraded to avoid repeat failures.

I just had a transmission redone in my cousins 2000 Pontiac Grand Prix. Total rebuild including R&R was $2400. With that I got all sorts of upgraded parts that tend to fail in the original trans (like the 4th gear input shaft tends to beat out the splines due to overdrive engage/disengage so the new shaft has hardened splines, improved clutch housings, apply pistons, etc.).
 
#26 · (Edited)
jepstr67 said:
Well first of all, life time warranty..... Secondly, are you kiddin' me? Is that what it costs to service a new car transmission? I've never paid more than a grand to have a transmission completely rebuilt.
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Lifetime warranty here...

I paid $2,850 to have my Taurus transmission rebuilt about 2 and a half years ago. The shop said that it was a relatively "easy" rebuild that they did. Now, either I was royally ripped off or it was worth what I paid. No matter how I looked at it, I had to dish the $2,850 out otherwise the car would not move. As soon as I saw issues with the transmission, to the dealer I went... and hence I am here enjoying life with all of you. I think what they really charge you for is their 1-2 year warranty on the rebuild work. That's how they compensate.
 
#27 ·
Long term CVT experience

Akula said:
Well, if you think transmission failure is a likelihood, then I'd recommend a different vehicle. In most vehicles, the transmission will last a good long time with proper maintenance- you'd have to be at 150K mi. or more before it is even on the horizon. Yes, occasionally stuff can fail, but that's an extreme rarity. If you are willing to bet $2700 that it will happen within the warranty period, I'd be shopping other vehicles.
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My wife's uncle has a 1st gen Murano with the 1st gen CVT from JATCO (same company from Japan that makes them for the patriot/caliber/compass), 300,000+km with regular maintenance, no tranny problems, repairs or replacements. As far as I know the CVT tranny has been in autos since around 2002. I'm sure the CVT tranny is not going to be anymore of a failure issue than a traditional auto tranny. As you said Akula, with proper maintenance, it should last a long time and just as long as any other tranny.

I don't think there is a need to look at a different vehicle based out of fear for CVT transmission reliability. They're actually working on the next gen CVT tranny now and released some press news about it (3rd gen I believe). :huddle:
 
#28 ·
Just ordered my 2009 MK two weeks ago paid in full, should be here in two more weeks. Just wanted to point out why I didn't buy the extended warranty option...lifetime powertrain warranty for 2009 MKs. Thats all I need! Any takes?
 
#29 ·
I also agree, put the $2700 in your account and do not fall into the extended warranty trap.

For you to have to make use of the $2700 this is what would have to happen:

  1. Major breakdown (i.e. engine or transmission)
  2. Several smaller serious issues
  3. All of these occuring OUTSIDE the normal warranty (5yr 100,000km where I am from)
  4. Agreement by the dealer the Extended Warranty actually covers your issue
  5. Repairs greater than $2700 + the interest you would have earned keeping the money

I would not take an extended warranty if it was $50. If their product is not properly backed to begin with I shop elsewhere.


jepstr67 said:
Put your $2700 in an account that earns the best interest you can get. You can repair a lot of stuff for $2700 or, if the Patriot is as trouble free as it seems to be, you can use the cash on your next car purchase.

I have 33k miles on mine. I find it very reliable.
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#30 ·
Hi everyone,

Before you read this post, I suggest you make sure that you dont have a mouthfull of coffee or food. I dont want to be responsible for you choking to death !!! :wow:

I just purchased a Patriot this past Saturday. :banana: And the finance lady was trying pretty hard to sell me extras. Among which, an extended warranty.

Here is the deal she offered. And when I say "deal", I mean this is a discounted price because I am a "good" customer :icon_rolleyes:

5 years/100K - $1440 + tax
7 years/115K - $2890 + tax
7 years/160K - $3399 + tax

I am still trying to figure out where the deal is! ;)


Goose
 
#32 ·
dealers will never give you a good deal...the good deals come from the manufacturer rebates COMBINED with dealer haggling. even when you think you are getting a steal on a leftover model, nope, they are still making out like bandits.

the markup on vehicles isn't nearly the market up on furniture, which is most commonly 200%-300% . i found that out the hard way getting 2 back-to-back defective couches. one of them the frame was messed up, the other one 2 of the cushions were permanently collapsed. the couch was priced regular for $900, on sale for $699, then i haggled down to $604.
 
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