Thinking about trading in my Pat?

RossoRacer · Feb 28, 2018

Brohio said:
I love my Pat but I will probably get something else next year. I live in pot hole land and the noise and creaking of the suspension and seemingly every single interior trim piece when I hit a bump is slowly driving me insane. I can deal with it for now as it hasn't gotten too bad yet, but I can see another winter here really driving me up the wall.

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Jeeper81 · Feb 28, 2018

Isn't the factory-made suspension on the Patriot notoriously bad? I think I remember reading that here shortly after I joined. Something about low-quality/wrong parts being used. Mine seems alright so far, but as I have one of the last ever made and mine is the Off-Road design, I might have the version with the least screw-ups.

Ignatz · Mar 1, 2018

Jeeper81 said:
Isn't the factory-made suspension on the Patriot notoriously bad? I think I remember reading that here shortly after I joined. Something about low-quality/wrong parts being used. Mine seems alright so far, but as I have one of the last ever made and mine is the Off-Road design, I might have the version with the least screw-ups.

Mine was one of the earlier Patriots (2008) and I've had no premature suspension problems, or frankly, hardly any problems at all. My original shocks & struts went beyond 250,000 and we have frost heaves galore in NH from midwinter until late spring. Just yesterday I was thinking how few vehicles this size could handle the road I was on. Smaller cars would be hitting bottom and bigger cars would be, well, bigger. There were roads that I wouldn't take our old Saturn on because it was just unmanageable at speed. These were paved roads, generally state roads, but once the water gets under them and freezes, its just one continuous series of speed-bump. IMHO the Patriot is about the ideal vehicle for frost heaves.

As for those creaks and groans, for the first time I've noticed them, today on a very bouncy downgrade. Made me worry just a tad. Probably get it looked at next oil change. As much as I love my Patriot, Ignatz is an excess vehicle and I'd think long & hard before I dumped big money into the old guy.

brycmtthw · Mar 1, 2018

moparado said:
Even though the new '17/'18 Compass has been redesigned and updated it still shares a lot of things with later model Patriots.

What primarily interests me are the updated features and better off-road prowess of the Trail Hawk.

If it weren't for the Trail Hawk trim model, i wouldn't be interested in new Compass at all.

It'd be my luck going to the Jeep Dealership just to look at the Compass and get a fast talking aggressive salesman who will eventually call in his even more aggressive fast talking manager..... and leave with a new Wrangler.:Racing:

Worst things could happen!

The new Jeep Compass (MP not MK) shares NOTING with the Patriot. Even the engine is different...

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brycmtthw · Mar 1, 2018

Tyler-98-W68 said:
Trust me when I say this, a FDII Patriot or Compass is nearly identical in offroad performance to a Compass Trailhawk..........I wheel with a Renegade TH it can't hold a candle to my cherokee Trailhawk, but its decent it isn't however any better than the FDII models that have been around for 11 years.

The new compass/Renegade shares NOTHING with the MK platform its a completely different platform new chassis transmission suspension, everything is different. The renegade has the boxy styling of the patriot but nothing more.

If you really like the looks of the new Compass (which i do) thats great and a reason to get one, but it will not blow you out of the water with offroad capability that you seem to expect.

Except the trailhawks don’t have that catastrophe nissan cvt. Also, one thing to consider... the Patriot isn’t that robust in front end design and the new Compass seems to be better built in that aspect.

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moparado · Mar 1, 2018

Brohio said:
If it works with your budget, id say go for it.

I don't personally love the styling of the new Compass, but the TH is the best looking of the trims IMO.

I love my Pat but I will probably get something else next year. I live in pot hole land and the noise and creaking of the suspension and seemingly every single interior trim piece when I hit a bump is slowly driving me insane. I can deal with it for now as it hasn't gotten too bad yet, but I can see another winter here really driving me up the wall.

Although, if I was at a Jeep dealer with $28k I would get a slightly used Grand Cherokee.

Speaking of pot holes, they're the worst i've ever seen.
The U.S. highway i use just about every day to get to the city is now basically a pot hole dodging obstacle course.

My steering wheels and my attention span are getting one heck of a workout.
One always sneaks up now and then and a loud sh%t!
They're so bad i stopped using my excellent gas mileage Dodge Neon because of its small dia. wheels.

Its got to be the continuous cycles of thaws and then extremely cold weather not to mention the heavy traffic of 18 wheelers.
Yesterday it hit 65 deg. with light rain and today its back to freezing with rain, sleet and possible snow predicted.
A perfect recipe for more pot holes.

Far as the suspension on my Pat, its as solid and noise free as the day i bought it.
One thing that impresses me about my Pat is the solid feeling going over bumps, etc. after 45K miles.

The tire/road noise is another matter though.

RossoRacer · Mar 1, 2018

Y'all need to bring those Patriots to Michigan for those Jeep meets.

moparado · Mar 2, 2018

Tyler-98-W68 said:
Trust me when I say this, a FDII Patriot or Compass is nearly identical in offroad performance to a Compass Trailhawk..........I wheel with a Renegade TH it can't hold a candle to my cherokee Trailhawk, but its decent it isn't however any better than the FDII models that have been around for 11 years.

The new compass/Renegade shares NOTHING with the MK platform its a completely different platform new chassis transmission suspension, everything is different. The renegade has the boxy styling of the patriot but nothing more.

If you really like the looks of the new Compass (which i do) thats great and a reason to get one, but it will not blow you out of the water with offroad capability that you seem to expect.

You're right, the more i researched the Compass found out it shared the same chassis and many of its other features with the Renegade.

Far as not holding a candle to a Cherokee, i got one of them too for heavy duty off road wheeling. An XJ to be exact.
The TH would be more or less a DD during winter snows, etc. with some light to medium off roading.

Also not sure about the 9 speed tranny in the Compass TH.
Read good and some bad reviews regarding it.
Could be wrong but i think its the same tranny in the new Cherokees.

We'll see what the Spring winds bring!

Brohio · Mar 2, 2018

RossoRacer said:
Suspension Parts & Components | MOOG Parts Just saiyan....

Ha yes I'm aware. Since I'm still under warranty for a while longer I will see if they will replace with Moog when/if the time comes.

If not, I doubt I will keep the Pat long enough to burn through a second set of the OEM parts.

RossoRacer · Mar 2, 2018

My dealer replaces with Moog if a customer requests.....maybe a little trip up this spring?

Also this may help. https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-cu...ck.com/car-culture/a15840066/not-all-aftermarket-parts-will-void-your-warranty/

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