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I bought my used '08 Patriot back in April, 2010 with 13,232 miles on the odometer.

It survived a family move to Texas, where it became a capable and dutiful commuter for 6 years. It was the only car serving a family of four, doing damn-near everything for us. It stood up to some serious abuse in that time, and for the most part it did the job. Maybe with a groan or grumble here and there.

It has served us well in that time. It has served us so well, that it has succumbed to it's servile nature, and is now a used-up, tired, broken appliance.

It suffered it's latest failure last weekend, when the clutch -ever problematic- would no longer disengage. I limped it home on Texas Hwy 71, my wife on the verge of tears for fear of hitting someone when i couldn't shift it out of gear at a red light, or of being hit when i couldn't get it back into gear.

It's been through two master cylinder failures, possibly a third. It destroyed a slave cylinder and input shaft bearing. The rear main seal has not stopped leaking since its first transmission service. The second shift boot has torn. The driver seat has torn in two places. The carpet where my right heel rests has worn through the carpet and most of the backing. The outboard seat panels on both driver and passenger sides have broken off. It's wearing it's third set of lower control arms, that were deemed to be loose at the last service. Pretty certain the front wheel bearings are reaching their end of life, as the rears were replaced about two years ago. One failed alternator pulley. One failed AC compressor. One failed intake flapper (which required dealer intervention to get the computer to accept the new parts). About four sets of tires. Two new bumpers, front and rear; bumper covers, front and rear; a new rear hatch; a new AC condenser; a new radiator; and associated bodywork. A new passenger side mirror assembly. Two broken windshields. One failed catalytic converter (the replacement of which has resulted in an exhaust rattle that resonates as 2500 and 3000 rpms).

I paid it off about three years ago. As of Saturday, it sits in my driveway with 161k miles on the odometer.

I don't want to be done with it. Not because I love it - I don't. After all, it is an appliance at heart. It is like a disposable razor, in that it ultimately has a limited lifespan, and continuing to use it beyond that expected end date will eventually leave you bleeding.

And yet, despite all the things I've fixed and/or suffered through, I feel like I haven't done enough to keep it up and running, Like I haven't put in enough effort. Like I didn't change the oil often enough. Like I haven't waxed it in the driveway - hell, I haven't even washed it in a year at least. Like I didn't trawl eBay or the pick-a-part to find enough replacement parts. Like i didn't spend money I didn't have at the time to fix things I should have fixed.

I feel like I let my Patriot down.

But I realize now, that the problem isn't the Patriot - it's my own expectations.

The Jeep Patriot is great in spite of itself. It is robust in spite of its cheap construction. It is rugged is spite of its passenger-car roots. It carves into a corner in spite of its tall stature. It is a sales phenomenon in spite of its complete lack of support during both the Cerberus and FCA eras. It is spacious in spite of its small size. It is cheap in spite of its maker's nameplate.

But at the end of the day, it is the accumulation of all those flaws. It is a small, cheaply-built, passenger car, with no support from it's maker.

And at this point, when I'm faced with spending about $1000 just to get it running again, or accepting a check for less than $1000 for the wrecker to haul it off, I need to drop my expectations, my delusions about what the Patriot could have been, or what it should have been... and I need to simply take the money and let it go.

My Patriot hasn't been a friend to me. It has been a servant. That's not to say we didn't have fun times together. But I can't keep my Patriot on life support any longer.

So, I'm out.

...

I don't know what will replace it. It will be hard to get anything with the measly sum the wrecking yard has offered me, and what little i'll be able to finance. I seriously considered just getting another used Patriot, but the only ones that fit in my price range are about as old and have about as many miles as the one i have now, and I would be in exactly the same position in no time.

So, no, I won't get another Patriot.

But whatever i do get... it will have it's work cut out for it. My broken Patriot can attest to that.
 
I feel your pain. I had a Ford Ranger that I loved, but after pumping $2K into it over a 6 month timeframe it was time to end the bleeding. I've noticed that once a car hits the 10 year mark you can expect to start dumping money into it, my Ranger was 13 years old when I traded for my Patriot. Cars are a wear and depreciation item - it sucks, but that's just the way it is. Buy new and eat horrific depreciation, buy used and be prepared to dump money into it, perhaps a lot depending on the condition of the vehicle.
 
Sorry to see you go. :crying:

Sounds like you got your money's worth out of it. No doubt it will be hard to find an affordable replacement. Even the lowly Patriot price began creeping up in later years. Sadly, buying a new one is out of the question now that Patriots are out of production. Agreed, buying a used one can be a crap shoot since the last owner got rid of it for a reason.

I, on the other hand, decided to get another Patriot so when mine dies I can inherit my Wife's Patriot. That was almost 3 years ago and my Patriot keeps plugging along. Took the little guy on a 350 mile ride yesterday, through the mountains and a horrific rain storm. He just shakes if off like a puppy dog, and presses on.

Will be a sad day when we must part ways. Hopefully that will be a long way off. It is now my longest running vehicle, beating my beloved Pontiac by 10,000 miles; another 6 months and it will be my longest owned vehicle.

I wish you well and hope you find a worthy replacement.
 
When I first saw the title of the thread, I couldn't help thinking "Seriously? He's been one of our longest-running members and now he's trading in like it seems every other new kid does six months after purchase." And really, it does happen that quick. Snowflakes buy one so they have a cheap new 4x4, but "it's not fast enough" like a Jeep is supposed to be fast, "it's not refined enough" do you seriously not know the legacy? Or any of the slew of complaints about how it's exactly what it needs to be.

Then I read the post. Serious dedication, holding out to the bitter end. Well, as close as anybody can be expected to, especially when your family's well-being is in question. The only bits I can really argue with are "it's just a tool" and the whole "passenger car" deal. Yes, in the grand scheme, it's just a vehicle, and your family's safety and reliable transportation are much bigger priorities, but when a vehicle serves so well for so long, it's really more than just some random piece of garbage. Mine has been there with me through 3 1/2 years of college and another 4 1/2 years of pretty much everything else. Keeps up with Wranglers and Cherokees anywhere I dare take it, and won't holler at me like another person might(depending on circumstances of course). And yes, the design took quite a few cues from cars, even shares some parts with them, but it's a Jeep through and through. It's just as multipurpose as a Willy's MB(though on distinctly different battlefields of course), and to me "cheaply built" is just a not-so-nice way of saying it takes after "grandpaw" and flaunts the fact it's no Caddy. Seriously, 70 years ago Jeeps came from the factory in a CRATE. Put the wheels on, gas it up, and go(maybe fold up the windshield first depending on laws at the time). And hardly any aftermarket support, yet still we push through and manage. Sounds like we need to cause a bigger stir in the aftermarket community, heh?
 
nth256 did what he needed to do. There is always a balance between cost-efficiency and reliability. It is true that "the cheapest vehicle you'll ever own is the one you own today." Sure, someone will come up with a list of needed repairs, but it won't approach the cost of a new vehicle. Figure in down time, rental during repairs, etc, it does become cost-prohibitive. While falling short of being a snowflake, in my younger years I traded about every 100-120,000 miles -- besides transportation, my vehicle was my mobile office, delivery truck, sales & service venue; I depended on it for my income. It was impossible to move everything in and out of it for what we'd all agree were minor repairs -- a day or two in the shop: if it wasn't working, neither was I. Take a couple days out of a paycheck and see how your budget works!

While I'm still working, its in a different capacity. I depend on my vehicle less than I did which is how I can keep lil Ignatz on the road. Now we have an 'extra' vehicle which I am 'running to the ground' as they say. If it breaks down, I have something to fall back on and I don't have to move the above-mentioned chattel. I drive a lot of miles but at my mileage I don't care about another couple hundred miles if my boss needs me to cover another area. They pay for travel so aside from fuel, its money in the bank for me.

Just about 2 years ago Ignatz had the wiring problem and I debated a $1200 repair bill. My thought process was that I hadn't had a single repair. Why walk away from it now? I'm glad I spent the money. Where else could I get a reliable vehicle that would run for another 2 years without a repair bill? Coming up on inspection time. We'll see if that record holds.

On the other hand (besides 5 more fingers) I had '93 Cherokee that only lasted 6 months and 30,000 miles, While many loved those, mine was a laundry list of repairs, and a persistent clutch problem that went in 4 times and still wasn't cured. All paid for under warranty, but how many more days could I take off from work? After a serious accident and a wretched repair job (out of town, shop the Jeep dealer in that city recommended) and the next recurrence of my clutch problem, I traded it in. I knew the dealer, told him to sell it wholesale and not stick one of his customers with it, and drove out with what ranks among my most favorite vehicles.

Cars do become a part of us, part of our careers, and almost a member of the family. I remember the '59 wagon I grew up with -- almost like a little brother. My Dad taught me all about cars on that vehicle. Those were good years, wish I could get them back. Maybe this explains the interest we have in antique cars like we grew up with. No doubt nth256's kids will grow up reminiscing about that old Patriot their father used to drive them around in. They'll find a junker on a used car lot and restore it into a collectors item! :D
 
I still miss my mom's old '97 K1500 Silverado. I remember when she bought it, I was only 4 or 5 years old and my mom was trading in her GMC Jimmy for a brand new pickup. Really exciting time. Grew up around that thing, got to drive it in the driveway a couple times before driver's ed came around. My brother used it when he first started driving, even broke it in by putting a nice dent in the door while I was in driver's ed class. Literally, he was working at the grocery store while I was in class and he didn't see a concrete pole on the passenger side. Little bit of grille damage either that year or the next, too. Then it was the vehicle I usually drove when I needed to go somewhere, until college came along and with it my Patriot. Finally one day in summer 2012 I came home and found that old Silverado gone, sold because it was "too old" and "not needed anymore". Kinda breaks a sentimental gearhead's little ol' heart. My late grandpa's 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 Duramax took it's place though, so at least there's still one heirloom vehicle in the family, for now at least.
 
My late grandpa's 2004 GMC Sierra 2500 Duramax took it's place though, so at least there's still one heirloom vehicle in the family, for now at least.
A 2004 heirloom!!! Gosh, you're making me feel old.

When my grandfather died I coveted his '38 Packard. (60,000 miles, garaged all its life). I was about a year from driving and figured all it needed was fresh oil, new hoses and spark plugs, and some light cosmetic work that I could do myself. When I got my license I'd have something like nothing else on the high school parking lot! My parents told me I was crazy; it was just an old car. So they gave it -- as in for no money -- to a neighbor.

Its been 50 years and I'm still steamed about that. I brought it up once before my Dad passed away and he stuck to his guns. "Who'd ever think back then that it would ever be worth anything?" Darn it all, I did!
 
Lol, my grandpa had his own general store and kept his farm partially working until the day he died. His trucks saw work, and they were almost exclusively bright red GMC's. Asked him once why GMC and not Chevy, his reason was that of a stubborn 80+ year old southerner. Not appropriate to repeat here. Got a newer truck before he passed, a 2009 or something in that era, still wasn't a soft enough ride for him but it had a really soft ride. Can't recall if my mom compared it to a Buick or a Cadillac. The '04 rides like what you'd expect an American pickup to feel though. Solid, decently stiff but not too much so, especially for a 3/4 ton. Funny thing though, I keep forgetting he used to have an old 12-cylinder fire truck on the farm. I used to love climbing all over that thing when I was little.

Also, don't ya love how a farewell thread has turned into reminiscing over long-gone family vehicles?
 
. . . don't ya love how a farewell thread has turned into reminiscing over long-gone family vehicles?
Saying goodby to an old vehicle is like saying goodby to an old friend. Been together through thick and thin. Kids will remember family vacations, adults remember the kids messing up the seats, all of us get familiar with how it handles and responds. And the awkward loads: how many times my Wife and I have tossed our canoe up on the roof and spent a day paddling in a lake. Maybe nth256 saved a delivery fee by bringing home a sofa strapped to the roof as onlookers laughed. I once crammed a refrigerator into the back of Ignatz--cold winter day with the seats all the way forward so we could close the tailgate. Our lives revolve around the places we go and the people we do it with, and our vehicles get us to and from those good times. Whether its work, a weekend, a vacation, or even a crisis moment, the vehicle plays a part. Not human, but it takes on a personality of sorts.
 
"the cheapest vehicle you'll ever own is the one you own today."
This is so true, until you start factoring in the hassle with dealing with an older car. My fleet of vehicles is pretty old, my daily is a 98, my current "toy" is a 2003, My wife's care is much newer, a 2011. I don't buy new cars anymore, too much hit on depreciation, but I bought my wife a newer car, and paid for it happily because I wanted something I knew to be newer/more reliable.

I can deal personally with a few issues in a vehicle, my wife, who drives our 4 children around in that car cannot, at least I don't want there to be any issues.


Good luck with your choice. I will say, some of the most reliable cars I've owned have cost me under $3000, my current mazda b4000 (ford ranger), prevous Olds Alero were all great cars that I easily got plenty of life out of; 30-50k miles with little to no repairs outside of maintenance. I HIGHLY recommend looking for a lower mile car that is owned by an older couple. if a car is in a 55+ community, you have a pretty good chance of it being well maintained, and lightly driven. (just from my personal experience with ownership of 30+ vehicles).
 
How many miles nth256 does it have now?

I have owned 2 pats. One was totaled in an accident. We managed to find a very nice same model year and miles to replace it. Overall they both have been great vehicles. Driven about 100k miles between the both of them with nothing replaced besides a wheel bearing (probably from off roading in water). Just routine maintenance. I plan to keep the current fd2 pat for as long as I can. My wife wants a bigger vehicle but I am stalling :p Hopefully we keep it another 3 years.
 
I plan to keep the current fd2 pat for as long as I can. My wife wants a bigger vehicle but I am stalling :p Hopefully we keep it another 3 years.
Would your wife accept a Libby while you keep the Pat? Assuming your life circumstances allow such an arrangement.....
 
How many miles nth256 does it have now?

I have owned 2 pats. One was totaled in an accident. We managed to find a very nice same model year and miles to replace it. Overall they both have been great vehicles. Driven about 100k miles between the both of them with nothing replaced besides a wheel bearing (probably from off roading in water). Just routine maintenance. I plan to keep the current fd2 pat for as long as I can. My wife wants a bigger vehicle but I am stalling :p Hopefully we keep it another 3 years.
Another serial Patriot owner! I hope you win the argument. If you've got a reliable vehicle, stick with it.
 
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