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#41 · (Edited)
Terasec said:
Rav4 swinging door is a full size door,
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ahhh ok, i didn't know that. but regardless if it's the full door or not...wouldn't it still take up the same amount of space on the rotation? like when that lady was blocking you...it wouldn't matter if it was a half-door swinging tailgate or a full-door one right?

but yeah, i agree...i wouldn't want to deal with a swinging tail-gate...
 
#42 ·
it does make a difference

jgg204 said:
ahhh ok, i didn't know that. but regardless if it's the full door or not...wouldn't it still take up the same amount of space on the rotation? like when that lady was blocking you...it wouldn't matter if it was a half-door swinging tailgate or a full-door one right?

but yeah, i agree...i wouldn't want to deal with a swinging tail-gate...
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Small wrangler swing gate, sits higher, often going over bumper/hood of cars,
full size door that sits low, has tendency to make contact with car earlier, usually at grill or just above bumper.
also those with wranglers usually have less of a need to load/unload as often,
yes there are exceptions,
but those who buy SUV's usually buy them because of the space and need to load/unload more often.
and if you live outside a major city, usually not a problem at all either way
 
#43 ·
What makes the ranking procedure bad is that they (supposed car editor specialists) only go skin deep, the looks and gadgets ar the main subjects. Personal taste should not interfere either. To me they're of no importance whatsoever. «Even a Roll Royce has a spare tire» has stated by one of my former british girlfriend's father (former mechanic for Roll Royce)

I stopped reading reviews that lead to no scientific conclusions. IMO
 
#46 ·
jgg204 said:
ahhh ok, i didn't know that. but regardless if it's the full door or not...wouldn't it still take up the same amount of space on the rotation? like when that lady was blocking you...it wouldn't matter if it was a half-door swinging tailgate or a full-door one right?

but yeah, i agree...i wouldn't want to deal with a swinging tail-gate...
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and heavy in itself....
 
#47 ·
I can count the times I have seen a patriot specific commercial on 2 fingers. That might have just a little bit to do with it.

Cheap plastic, this and that. Who flippin' cares, if it is cheap plastic or expensive plastic, it is still gonna be plastic. I still like my 08 interior and see no basic flaws in it.

Otherwise I love my patriot. It is a fantastic vehicle and that is the end of the story for me. Reviewers are mostly whores for sale to the highest bidder.
 
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#48 ·
I haven't looked, but if you went on their website I'm sure Jeep/Chrysler or whatever manifestation, doesn't advertise there.
Secondly, the Cherokee was a misfit in '84 if you were Car & Driver Mag. I think AMC/Chrysler sold over a million of them in 18-19 years.
Don't take your Corolla, Sentra, Rav4, or any other psuedo-platform off-road, what kind of comparisons does a laptop-pusher really get to do?
I know WE don't care, and you know why? WE know better!
Writers? Load them on a leaky boat with lawyers and politicians.:zzz:
 
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UPKEV said:
Cheap plastic, this and that. Who flippin' cares, if it is cheap plastic or expensive plastic, it is still gonna be plastic. I still like my 08 interior and see no basic flaws in it.
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reviewers are stupid, and they think the following:

cheap plastic = hard plastic
expensive plastic = soft plastic

they don't realize it's the same plastic...just with a thin layer of foam. it has nothing to do with the actual fit of the vehicle's interior...just the finish with regards to touch. it also muffles the "echo" when you tap the plastic. THAT'S IT! the only portions of the vehicle that should have foam would be the arm rests on the door and the center console...which Jeep did for the 2009 Patriot. so what are the whiners on CR complaining about now?!?!?!

they are all morons...
 
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Thanks, Terasec!
So now you know? That's what unbiased and disinterested means in the world of journalism!
Cheap plastic eh, on a four-by-four? No way, what we want is unwashable, unwipeable expensive woven trim, so that every time we bring a bit of crud in we have to go to "Speedy Valet" and hand over thirty quid. Jayzes, we're Jeep drivers and super-rich; we don't want to save money. We want to make sure that the wheels of commerce spin around.
Excuse the cheap sarcasm, Guys, but I sometimes wonder if these fellers have been up in the International Space Station for a couple of years before they write these reports.
They obviously aren't breathing the same 80% Nitrogen- 20% Oxygen mix that the rest of us are living on.

Rocal
 
#54 ·
I could give a flip about what Edmunds thinks of the Patriot. I just towed a utillity trailer 3300 miles from Michigan to California (I took a few side trips) and averaged 29 mpg for the trip. I'm ecstatic with the way the Jeep towed, braked, handled, etc.
 
#55 ·
HoosierMud said:
Try almost three million:banana:--and I have one of them!!! Yippee!
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Yup! Most popular misfit from AMC's design and engineering studios. Their second most popular misfit was the Gremlin, roughly 800,000 during 7 1/2 model years. So the Patriot is in good company.

I agree, if no advertising dollars are coughed up, then your product must be no good.
 
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#56 ·
Tobagotwo is correct. Try finding used Patriots.. not too many around.

Sure, I could list some gripes I have, from a clunky imprecise shifter to just ok pickup. Visibility is not as good as others I've seen. OK.

But the Forester gets lousier mileage. The CRV is waaay more money. The Mazda5 has worse reliability and mpgs. I drove a RAV 4 and did not feel confident cornering as I'm used to at the same speeds I do confidently with my Patriot. The Rav4 was in the mid $20K's.

If I want a luxury ride I'll go buy an Infinity M45. This is a more affordable, somewhat frugal commuter car with more space for kids stuff and groceries then comparably priced cars can offer.
 
#57 ·
Terasec said:
I prefer to skip on the power packages,
only packages i want relate to engine and performance,
dont want leather seats,
dont want power windows
dont want sound and security,
Dont even want carpeting, would gladly take a bare floor i can wash out.
wheel packages? if i knew that 17" inch wheels had such lousy tire options,
would gladly take 16" steelie's over current 17" FDII wheels
i had a hard time finding FDII without power packages,
I didnt even want an auto FDII,
but Auto had to come with the FDII.
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Just to be fair, I have a 4x4 truck with rubber floors and no power windows or locks...so I totally understand where you are coming from. :) But with the Patriot being my work car and having to spend a lot of time in it during the week, the difference in cost (buying used) just didn't make sense for a base model versus one that is pretty much loaded. They were only a grand apart with similar miles. Have to consider resale value too, although that may be a moot point since I'm likely to have 100k on it three years from now at this rate.
 
#58 ·
only a grand because many options already included

FreeLantz said:
Just to be fair, I have a 4x4 truck with rubber floors and no power windows or locks...so I totally understand where you are coming from. :) But with the Patriot being my work car and having to spend a lot of time in it during the week, the difference in cost (buying used) just didn't make sense for a base model versus one that is pretty much loaded. They were only a grand apart with similar miles. Have to consider resale value too, although that may be a moot point since I'm likely to have 100k on it three years from now at this rate.
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most options seperately are about a Grand each,
Power package is usually $1000
sound and security i think was $850,
wheel packages usually go for $600-$1000
Auto is usually about $1000
premium seats usually go for $500 to over $2000 for leather package

I remember when base wranglers were $8000,
and base was just that base, No carpets, no doors, no windows, no defrosters, no center consoles,
think wipers were extra to,
from $8k , a wrangler with the basics came close to $16k
 
#59 ·
Terasec, I'm so elderly that I can remember when heaters in cars were an optional extra. Shortly after all cars were fitted with heaters as standard equipment we had some relatives from East Africa to stay; the dad was moaning about how he didn't see why he should have to pay for a heater in a new car since he'd never use it! I would imagine that his whining fell on deaf ears in our house since, even though my own dad was a manager at Fords just outside of London, we didn't even own a car!
My mother, who was Canadian, remembered going by bus into school and the heating in them never worked.
When you think that nowadays cars have i-Pod connections and phones that work through your stereo..
The American writer Bill Bryson is very popular in the UK_far more well-known than he is in the States. He comes from Des Moines, Iowa and, in one of his books he describes poverty in back-country Nebraska: "I never saw poverty like that. Back home in Iowa, if you had car-windows that you had to wind up and down by hand you were poor, but this was way worse than that!"

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