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JoeBecker

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At new Chrysler, problems of old Chrysler linger

DETROIT – Chrysler was reborn Wednesday under a new Italian parent, but it can't shake the shadows of its past: It's not selling enough cars, its fleet is tilted to trucks and SUVs, and help is more than a year away.

A 42-day stay in bankruptcy court cleansed the company of much of its debt and labor costs, but many analysts say Chrysler's immediate future is bleak. It lost $8 billion in 2008, and sales are down by almost half for the first five months of this year.

Cars designed by its new owner, Italy's Fiat Group SpA, won't make it to the U.S. until late 2010. And even then there are no guarantees American drivers will want the tiny cars Fiat specializes in...

Marchionne quickly shook up the management, replacing Chrysler's chiefs of marketing, finance and product development and cutting layers to make the company more focused on individual brands, such as Jeep, Chrysler and Dodge....

"Through hard work and tough choices, we have remade Fiat into a profitable company that produces some of the most popular, reliable and environmentally friendly cars in the world," he wrote. "We can and will accomplish the same results here."

Marchionne's more immediate problem is weak offerings in the market for small and midsize cars. Its smallest vehicles, the Dodge Caliber and Jeep Compass and Patriot, sell far less than the Toyota Corolla, the nation's top-selling small car. Sales of its smallest vehicles, the Dodge Caliber and Jeep Compass and Patriot, amount to less than one-third of the sales of the Toyota Corolla, the nation's top selling small car.

Work is already under way to convert Chrysler factories to produce small Italian-designed cars. Neither Chrysler nor Fiat would say which models would come first or how many would be imported to the U.S...

Well now that they have axed the marketing department maybe those small vehicles that lag so far behind might have a chance... at least until they are replaced by the Fiat small cars.

Oh and I did not realize that the Corolla was a "small" car? I thought the Yaris, Fit, etc were small cars. In that same vein, there is no way that the Camry and Accord are mid-size anymore...
 
yea Joe....I don't think there's such a thing as a 'small car', 'mid-sized car', etc.
Years ago, you had the Ford Falcon, Chevy Nova and Dodge Dart as 'small cars', Ford Fairlanes, Chevy Chevelles and Dodge Coronets as 'mid-sized' cars and of course Ford Galaxys, Chevy Impalas and Dodge Polaras at 'full sized cars'.

Today, a small car for one car maker may be a mid-sized one for another. Add to that SUVs, Crossovers, etc...and you have a cluster #*&k. Nothing is what it seems.

I can't wait for Chrysler-Fiat to get their act together. Like the story said, 'focusing on the individual brands' is what we need. Jeeps need to be Jeeps, not cars. Dodges need to be performance models and Chryslers need to be the upscale luxury cars they were meant to be.
 
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I can't wait for Chrysler-Fiat to get their act together. Like the story said, 'focusing on the individual brands' is what we need. Jeeps need to be Jeeps, not cars. Dodges need to be performance models and Chryslers need to be the upscale luxury cars they were meant to be.
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Jeep: CUVs, SUVs, and off-road
Dodge: Trucks, Vans, Sports Cars
Chrysler: All size Sedans, Luxury Sedans, and only Sedans
 
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Jeep: CUVs, SUVs, and off-road
Dodge: Trucks, Vans, Sports Cars
Chrysler: All size Sedans, Luxury Sedans, and only Sedans
YOU got it...not I only hope that Fiat 'gets it' TOO! By appointing a CEO for each brand, I would think that they would have their own best interest at heart and the issue of making same vehicle for Jeep, Dodge and Chrysler would become unacceptable.
 
Corolla and family = Small

Yaris and family = Compact

Now... why aren't they comparing the sales of the Patriots with the Rav4 which is the proper segment to compare against IMO. Anyone have those figures? I looked for the Rav4 figures with no initial luck.
 
Corolla and family = Small

Yaris and family = Compact

Now... why aren't they comparing the sales of the Patriots with the Rav4 which is the proper segment to compare against IMO. Anyone have those figures? I looked for the Rav4 figures with no initial luck.
What he means is that Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep doesn't have top selling small cars at all. The smallest we can find are Caliber/Compass/Patriot but that doesn't mean that they are in small car category.

If Chrysler want to be in top 1, it needs to be have at least one top selling car/truck for each category ;)

So, we'll see some new fiat based technology cars in small car category coming here in near future.

Well, that's my understanding !
 
Here's the way it was explained to me this AM:

Chrysler.....ALL "Passenger Vehicles"

Dodge.......ALL "Trucks Only"

Jeep.........ALL "SUV's" **


Fiats will be badged as Chryslers.

Mini vans will all be under the Chrysler name...no more competing Dodge Caravans.

**Guess this may mean no more Compass?
 
the 2008 Honda Accord is the first generation of the Accord to be considered full-size...so yes, it is considered a full-size car now. it is definitely on the smaller end of the full-size class, but it still falls in the full-size class according to NHTSA due to size and weight
 
the 2008 Honda Accord is the first generation of the Accord to be considered full-size...so yes, it is considered a full-size car now. it is definitely on the smaller end of the full-size class, but it still falls in the full-size class according to NHTSA due to size and weight
Makes sense because the Hyundai Sonata (which competes with the Accord) is also in the full size category.
 
Here's the way it was explained to me this AM:

Chrysler.....ALL "Passenger Vehicles"

Dodge.......ALL "Trucks Only"

Jeep.........ALL "SUV's" **


Fiats will be badged as Chryslers.

Mini vans will all be under the Chrysler name...no more competing Dodge Caravans.

**Guess this may mean no more Compass?
Oh, I understand this part. What I was getting at (INOUK also) was that FIAT will fill in those areas where CH/DO/JP are not competing in. Now... rebadging the Fiat's to the Chryslers? Hmmm... Personally I can't say one way or the other if this is a good idea. Heck, if I did, I'd be running Chrysler! It will be a wait and see for me.
 
Why not:
Chrysler-luxury cars (started out as up-scale cars).
Dodge-trucks (started out as Dodge Brothers Trucks).
Jeeps-SUV's (started out as 4wd vehicles).
Plymouth-compact and midsize (Fiats)cars (started out as popular priced cars).
 
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