Patriot CDR 2.0 2008 Limited

Grice · Sep 3, 2015

Hi people, I'm at the point of buying a 2008 Patriot 2.0 CRD Limited manual 6 speed.
I live in the UK and do have my concerns as I haven't seen a lot of these on the road. My wife has been to see it and the sales guy said you can't start the engine unless you press down the clutch pedal. This is the first time I have heard that you need to do this to start a car.
Can any one let me know if this is the standard way to start the engine or is there a fault with the jeep.
Is there anything I should look out for when buying a jeep that is 7 years old. It has 58,000 miles on the clock.
Cheers people.
Look forward to hearing from you. ??

harold · Sep 4, 2015

welcome

the clutch thing is normal, safety feature

check weak front end suspension components

does it have service history? that engine is very very very sensitive to oil changes, ie...have they been done at the correct time in it's history?

has the timing belt been done?

parts are expensive

oh....and it's called a CRD not CDR

build quality is generally poor

fun factor is generally high

Ignatz · Sep 5, 2015

Grice said:
Hi people, I'm at the point of buying a 2008 Patriot 2.0 CDR Limited manual 6 speed.
I live in the UK and do have my concerns as I haven't seen a lot of these on the road. My wife has been to see it and the sales guy said you can't start the engine unless you press down the clutch pedal. This is the first time I have heard that you need to do this to start a car.
Can any one let me know if this is the standard way to start the engine or is there a fault with the jeep.
Is there anything I should look out for when buying a jeep that is 7 years old. It has 58,000 miles on the clock.
Cheers people.
Look forward to hearing from you. ??

Welcome to the forum! I have a 2008 (FWD 2.4 CVT) and liked it so much I just bought a 2014 (FWD 2.0 5-spd manual) for Wifey. In the US they only offer gasoline fueled engines.

Typical weak points are overhead leaks and front-end problems. I've had neither problem. In fact I've had very few problems and my 2008 is at 190,000 miles.

As Harold said above, depressing the clutch for the starter to engage is a safety function. There are people out there who will turn the key while its still in gear and crash into the car parked in front of them.

:doh:

I disagree with Harold regarding build quality. Mine still has no body squeaks and it looks fine after 6 New England winters, not even a speck of rust to be seen. Some fault the interior for being cheap, but its also very easy to clean so maybe there's a trade-off involved. I give it a coat of Armorall every Spring and Fall and it still looks new. Driver's seat is starting to show some serious wear -- vinyl is cracking and pealing.

I might add the Patriots are pretty easy on tires and brakes which are cost-saving features if you plan on keeping your Patriot for a long time.

I don't know what they cost in the UK, but in the US they're pretty inexpensive and a great value for the money.

Be good to it and it will be good to you!

Grice · Sep 5, 2015

I am buying the jeep from a dealer who is a classic fill you full of spill salesman all be it a nice guy but just has that prescience of can i rally trust him. The Jeep has 5 services 2 of which only have official stamps in the service history, it has 58880 miles on the clock, it has just been serviced again even though I checked the dipstick and the oil looks black. I have paid £500 deposit last Monday and a further deposit today of another £500, my friend who is a mechanic was going t meet me to give me piece of mind but was unable to make it at the last minute. My wife saw the car on Monday but today was the first time for me. I loved the build of the jeep and was impressed by the way it drives.
What concerns me was the patch of soot on the floor by the exhaust.
I started the engine and left it running for ten minuites, there was slight dripping of black watery liquid coming from the exhaust , I could smell a slight burning smell from the engine but it seemed to wear of even though the engine didn't seem hot. I then accelerated whilst out of gear and there was a plum of dark slightly blue smoke come from the exhaust. This then died down. I then took the Jeep for a test drive, I did take the chance to accelerate quite hard and there seemed to be no smoke whilst driving, no drop in power with no problems but when I retuned I left the engine running idle for 5 minuites and then accelerated hard out of gear whilst stationary. The smoke was still there but not as bad. Everyone was saying it's just a Diesel engine and that just happens but it is worrying me a bit. I am due to pay the other £5000 next Friday and PX my car for £1000 (£7000 in total) when I collect but something is telling me I might be making a mistake. If I don't go ahead I will lose my deposit. My brain feels frazzled.
Does any one else have smoke from their exhaust??????

griff · Sep 5, 2015

I don't have a diesel, but I believe the slight smoke/soot thing is fairly normal. Also, diesel oil will turn black as soon as it's heated to operating temperature a very few times, so you can't go by it's color.
The watery liquid comes out of gas engines too for a bit when there is moisture in the air, until everything is heated up normally, I wouldn't worry about that.
If you drove the Jeep and it ran fine, no skips, hesitation, etc...I'd say you're probably ok.
Good luck and I hope you enjoy yours as much as I do mine.

Grice · Sep 6, 2015

The sales guy told me there is 40,000 miles left in the timing belt, I assume that this needs changing at 100,000 miles or every 10 years, I have not yet looked into this fully yet.
I drive an IZUZU 2004 work vehicle similar size to the patriot and this has never had any smoke from the exhaust. It has had plenty of other problems though but then it's delt with by the company I work for so I've never paid much attention to them.
The patriot has a tow bar on the back which doesn't looked to used, the sales guy has replaced the windscreen as there was a crack in the bottom corner. My Dad said that windscreens can crack easily if towing heavy goods!
My concern is that it could have put more stress on the engine resulting in the exhaust smoke issue.
The Jeep body, alloys and interior are in very good condition which makes me think that the Jeep has only been used for personal road use.
We are buying it for use as a family car as we have now moved into the country away from the city's and towns. We won't be towing anything.
Hopefully the tow bar will be easy enough to take off.
Also thinking about fitting some side steps.
The side marker light is slightly hanging off with a bit of water in it, I was going to reattach with some silicone, also the 3 out of the four door trims are slightly lose, again will need to attach with some glue or silicone.
The handle on the parcel shelf is only just attached but I haven't had much luck in finding just the handle so I may have to fix with some strong glue.

Ignatz · Sep 6, 2015

I've never owned a diesel, but my father was a diesel mechanic in the Navy and his philosophy was don't let a diesel idle for long periods and don't race it under a light load. I quote: "Diesels run best at full power and full load."

milspectees · Sep 6, 2015

Grice said:
My Dad said that windscreens can crack easily if towing heavy goods!

I know he's your dad, but that's a myth

Grice said:
My concern is that it could have put more stress on the engine resulting in the exhaust smoke issue.

As Ignatz's dad said, load is good for diesels.

When you started it and it was smoking did you start it from cold? What did it smell like? Does it do it when it is up to operating temp?

Grice said:
Hopefully the tow bar will be easy enough to take off.

Why?

Grice said:
The side marker light is slightly hanging off with a bit of water in it,

Get a new one they're cheap.

Grice said:
The handle on the parcel shelf is only just attached but I haven't had much luck in finding just the handle so I may have to fix with some strong glue.

Glue it, you can't buy just the handle.

If you need parts for anything except the engine, buy from Rockauto, even with shipping they are way cheaper than the UK. For example I just bought 2 x rear wheel bearings/hubs from Rockauto and the price (including the shipping) was cheaper than buying 1 from a dealer. You can get engine parts from TPS

CAMBELT: The dealer doesn't know what he talking about. Change the belt according to the VW schedule for a BKD - 60,000 miles/5 years.

DO NOT service the car at a Jeep dealer, take it to a VW independent that has Snapon diagnostics

Grice · Sep 6, 2015

milspectees said:
Grice said:

My Dad said that windscreens can crack easily if towing heavy goods!

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I know he's your dad, but that's a myth

Grice said:

My concern is that it could have put more stress on the engine resulting in the exhaust smoke issue.

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As Ignatz's dad said, load is good for diesels.

When you started it and it was smoking did you start it from cold? What did it smell like? Does it do it when it is up to operating temp?

Grice said:

Hopefully the tow bar will be easy enough to take off.

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Why?

Grice said:

The side marker light is slightly hanging off with a bit of water in it,

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Get a new one they're cheap.

Grice said:

The handle on the parcel shelf is only just attached but I haven't had much luck in finding just the handle so I may have to fix with some strong glue.

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Glue it, you can't buy just the handle.

If you need parts for anything except the engine, buy from Rockauto, even with shipping they are way cheaper than the UK. For example I just bought 2 x rear wheel bearings/hubs from Rockauto and the price (including the shipping) was cheaper than buying 1 from a dealer. You can get engine parts from TPS

CAMBELT: The dealer doesn't know what he talking about. Change the belt according to the VW schedule for a BKD - 60,000 miles/5 years.

DO NOT service the car at a Jeep dealer, take it to a VW independent that has Snapon diagnostics

As you can tell I don't know a lot about vehicles, can you tell me why a VW specialist? Assume that you mean the engine is a VW BKD?
Also I'm still struggling to find a new side marker repeater.
Please be patient with me as I said I'm not yo clued up on vehicles.
Thanks.

Mike Flea · Sep 7, 2015

Welcome!, clutch thing is normal, some even require the parking brake be on before starting.

milspectees · Sep 7, 2015

Grice said:
As you can tell I don't know a lot about vehicles, can you tell me why a VW specialist? Assume that you mean the engine is a VW BKD?
Also I'm still struggling to find a new side marker repeater.
Please be patient with me as I said I'm not yo clued up on vehicles.
Thanks.

Any engine related problems you should use a VW independent because;

the engine is a VW Pumpe Duse (unit injector) motor that Jeep technicians really don't understand
it is way cheaper

Just get a side repeater from the dealer, although they can be expensive on some parts, sometimes they surprise you with prices. For example a rear engine mount (secondhand) from ACS = £60, brand new from a dealer = £45

There are people waiting to rip you off when they see the Jeep badge, be smart.

zero · Sep 7, 2015

Out of interest, what's the score with the cambelt?

Jeep say 90k. VW say 60k. What happens if the belt goes between 60k and 90k despite advice from the dealer?

I'll hit 90k in the next 6 months so will be booking in to a VW specialist to get the cambelt done. I'd like to think that I have some recourse if things go pop before then.

milspectees · Sep 7, 2015

zero said:
Out of interest, what's the score with the cambelt?

Jeep say 90k. VW say 60k. What happens if the belt goes between 60k and 90k despite advice from the dealer?

I'll hit 90k in the next 6 months so will be booking in to a VW specialist to get the cambelt done. I'd like to think that I have some recourse if things go pop before then.

There'll be no recourse from a dealer if a failure is caused by a cambelt unless it happens AFTER they change it. Jeep didn't supply any of the parts or build the engine, VW did. In my experience, Jeep technicians don't even know how the engine works. I actually had one dealer tell me it was common rail (it isn't, it's a cam driven unit injection system that produces the pressure at the injector). When I asked him what made him think that he said "because it's written on the back of the car".........

goguadi · Sep 8, 2015

to be honest, the manual says 150K Km) at least mine does, and my vw mechanic confirmed this.
i changed it last summer at 149k km.
seemed a lot as in the past all diesels i had would need the job done around 100 k km (60k miles)

milspectees · Sep 8, 2015

goguadi said:
to be honest, the manual says 150K Km) at least mine does, and my vw mechanic confirmed this.
i changed it last summer at 149k km.
seemed a lot as in the past all diesels i had would need the job done around 100 k km (60k miles)

I guess it depends who you think is right. VW who designed and built the engine or Jeep who know nothing about it

goguadi · Sep 8, 2015

milspectees said:
I guess it depends who you think is right. VW who designed and built the engine or Jeep who know nothing about it

What I meant is that my vw mechanic says the same thing as the Jeep Manual.
It seems for this engine the first timing belt change is 150K km.
A friend of mine with an Audi A4 said his manual says the same.
Anyway, this is for the first change. The rest go every 100K Km .
For the rest I agree, Jeep dealers have no idea, especially now when they are with FIAT.

milspectees · Sep 8, 2015

goguadi said:
What I meant is that my vw mechanic says the same thing as the Jeep Manual.
It seems for this engine the first timing belt change is 150K km.
A friend of mine with an Audi A4 said his manual says the same.
Anyway, this is for the first change. The rest go every 100K Km .
For the rest I agree, Jeep dealers have no idea, especially now when they are with FIAT.

We are both wrong

I got curious and called VAG. According to VW the interval for the cambelt on a BKD in VAG vehicles was 80,000 miles/4 years on launch until MY 2006 then it was later revised to 90,000 miles/5 years for MY 2007

1 mile = 1.6km so that's 128,000km and 144,000km

The problem is most of the ECD engines in Chrysler products were built in 2005/2006 so the later revised (90,000) doesn't apply to all of them. As there are no engine numbers that can be checked you can't know which is which. However, it does apply to all the ECE engines as they were built after 2007. This means if you have a DPF it is 90,000 miles or 5 years, if you don't it could be either. Better safe than sorry

In both cases, time is also an element so a 2008 is 3 years overdue for a belt change

goguadi · Sep 8, 2015

mine is a DPF
anyway, got it out of the way.
everything fine so far

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