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GM loses 4.3 Billion last quarter, states bankruptcy is imminentm if continues will not have the cash to operate after 3 months....

http://jalopnik.com/5079567/gm-decl...-declares-bankruptcy-imminent-after-42-billion-third-quarter-loss?autoplay=true

The Merger is suspended and GM is having a "yard sale"

http://jalopnik.com/5079598/gm+chrysler-merger-talks-suspended-hummer-and-ac-delco-still-for-sale

Obamas plan

http://jalopnik.com/5079818/preside...k-obama-is-detroits-personal-jesus-plans-to-help-not+so+big-three?autoplay=true


In other words, don't worry about the merger, worry about the big 3 going bankrupt, well, GM anyways, don't know on Chrysler as they have not report losses yet. A SORT OF bright spot though, Ford lost 380 million the 2nd quarter and only 129 mil this last quarter, they still lost big, but not as bad as they have been.
 
A SORT OF bright spot though, Ford lost 380 million last quarter and only 129 mil this month, they still lost big, but not as bad as they have been.
How's that a bright spot?
A quarter is a 3 month period.
Last month's losses 129 x 3 = 387 (more than what they lost last quarter)
 
Last night I heard the U.S. financial projections for 2009. Unemployment will surge to perhaps as high as 12% due to the collapse of construction, retail, and manufacturing. The Federal budget deficit will approach $1 trillion severely limiting the government's ability to react but the market for funds should not be a limiting factor. There will be a significant drop in the GDP but I did not hear the number. The expectation is that this will likely be the worst post WWII recession. Where is the bright spot?
 
Whoops, sorry, it was late and I was still reeeling from a bad dealer experience (post on that later LOL). They lost 129 million last QUARERT, compared to 380 million the quarter before.
I just posted about your BAD dealership experience. I can see how you were probably not seeing straight.

Hey now, watch it LOL. Actually I am half Yank since my dad is from PA LOL.
Your dad is from your PA? I hear there's a lot of that down there in KY. My condolences. :D
 
I'm glad the "merger" may be going away. GM would have taken over Chrysler, sucked out the cash reserve and shut down the Chrysler company along with the dealers. Perhaps Jeep might have survived, but I think GM would place the Jeep in the GM dealerships. It would have been a disaster for Chrysler dealers.

Our local dealership, Mullin Motors, who is only Chrysler/Jeep is THE town dealership. Just about everybody in town drives a car from Mullin. They are a wonderful family owned dealership and are a fixture here. This week they didn't advertise in the local paper, and that's the first time I saw that happen. I hope they can pull through this mess, not because I own a Jeep, but because they do not deserve to be hurt. So if anybody reading this is on Long Island, NY and looking for a Jeep, buy one from these folks, they stand behind their customers.:smiley_thumbs_up:
 
the bright spot is that you guys voted in the right man!

(I was starting to get a little worried about Mcain and Barbie)
Obama has the task of clarifying his campaign rhetoric that has investors staying on the sidelines. I am referring to the capital gains tax hikes that could be moderate or significant. Most economists are aware that the sharp recession of 1930-31 became a depression when Hoover pushed through a large tax hike on the wealthy ($100,000 income in 1931 dollars). Obama is certainly not stupid and knows this yet he did not answer the specific question with regards to tax hikes at the press conference on Friday.

We all want Obama to succeed. For many their jobs depend on it. If not you will be likely looking at saying President-elect Barbie in 2012.
 
Obama has the task of clarifying his campaign rhetoric that has investors staying on the sidelines. I am referring to the capital gains tax hikes that could be moderate or significant. Most economists are aware that the sharp recession of 1930-31 became a depression when Hoover pushed through a large tax hike on the wealthy ($100,000 income in 1931 dollars). Obama is certainly not stupid and knows this yet he did not answer the specific question with regards to tax hikes at the press conference on Friday.

We all want Obama to succeed. For many their jobs depend on it. If not you will be likely looking at saying President-elect Barbie in 2012.
Investors are staying on the sidelines because they lost so much the economy stinks and over the past 6 months and rightly so they are frazzled and have little to invest. Seems a bit premature to start massaging blame onto a man that won't be president for two more months when cleary it is a pre-existing condition.

It is a bogus charge that largely investors base their investments on political speculation. Otherwise no one would ever have invested anything. Under this logic, then the economy and investment should have been booming under Bush with the stability of his tax system. It wasn't. It has been a consumption based economy not an investment based one.

This goes directly to your point, he has clarified his campaign position in a crystal clear fashion. It seemed clear to us with ears that during the campaign Obama stated that his tax policies would depend on the situation and that they may be delayed. Therefore, once he is president he will assess the situation. Can't be more clear than that.

You can't make assumptions ahead of time when you are the president. That is what the last president did and proved for poor policy.

This is what people meant when they talk about Obama's good judgement.

He will deal with reality in real time, not go off half cocked and let's say declare an end to military operations in a war years before they can even weakly be argued to be true.:doh:

Should Obama 5 days after winning an election with no treasury secretary and two months away from being president make some ridiculous knee jerk policy to pacify your red herring argument, that would be completely non-binding anyway?

There are multiple reasons that we are in trouble right now and back in the great depression, despite you and other conservatives, one thing was a huge part of each equation and that was a significant free market failure. You can try and spin it and for sure somethings done to try and recover did make it worse but anyone with half a brain can see right through that rhetoric that that was the catalyst. It was the effect and not the cause.

Even anyone withe most basic understanding of history and 1st grade math skills will note that the market collapsed in 29 and you are trying to blame the great depression on a misquided effort to lessen the pain. Bull.

You are panicking and that will lead to out of the frying pan and into the fire. Slow deliberate contemplation is what is needed, a steady hand.

The market needs stability and calmness and that is what Obama's is right now. That is the best way to foster investment.

Now, Obama's folks and the leaders of the big three and the UAW are scheduled to meet, can we at least give them a couple months to see if they can comeup with a plan. Before demanding instant reckless action.
 
UPKEV, The stock market collapse and recession of 1929-1930 were severe but the depths of the great depression occurred in 1932 - 1933 after a stabilization in 1931. What drove the economy into the ground? Well you can look at it as Smoot-Hawley Tariff Reform Act preventing free trade, reversal of the Mellon tax cuts that reduced the top tax rate from 65% to 25% or the tightening of the credit markets to let small banks fail and the larger banks survive but there must be a reason why most countries had recovering economies in the early thirties but the U. S. turned sharply down.

As for panicking I think not. My exposed portfolio is limited to my house and perhaps 25% of my investments. I have decided to hold of on starting a business because it would depend on consumer discretionary purchases and that is not a good place to be next year. Even the most optimistic of economists is, however, predicting unemployment to approach 8% and all expect the deficit to be over $1T (I think that is how a trillion is abbreviated) and that is not including supplementary economic assistance of between $100 - $300b USD.

Yes it is true that in 5 days it is too early to expect the President elect to have done much of anything. I would have expected, however, some salve that would address the stock market drop of about 850 on the DOW the first two days after election and he knew the question would come up.
 
Last night I heard the U.S. financial projections for 2009. Unemployment will surge to perhaps as high as 12% due to the collapse of construction, retail, and manufacturing. The Federal budget deficit will approach $1 trillion severely limiting the government's ability to react but the market for funds should not be a limiting factor. There will be a significant drop in the GDP but I did not hear the number. The expectation is that this will likely be the worst post WWII recession. Where is the bright spot?
If you read it again, I think you'll see that he was hopeful that Ford was losing less money quarter to quarter. That would indeed be a good thing right?
 
Hey now, watch it LOL. Actually I am half Yank since my dad is from PA LOL.
Well according to Obama and Murtha, PA may not be as "Elitist Yank" as everyone had thought, right?
 
If you read it again, I think you'll see that he was hopeful that Ford was losing less money quarter to quarter. That would indeed be a good thing right?
Unfortunately not. Revenue fell from $41b to $32b period to period and they are cutting the salaried work force by 10 percent. Not signs that Ford is planning for a robust 2009.
 
Makes me glad I live in Canada. I feel for you Americans. You're country isn't doing so well. We're effected by it too, but not as badly.
 
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