I got a call from my dealer today, regarding a snorkel they just got in their parts department. If you remember, my jeep accidentally turned into a submarine, and the engine didn't like it too much. I doubt that the snorkel is actually made for the Patriot, but I will check it out once I get back from Thanksgiving break and let you all know what's up.
Possible Jeep Patriot Snorkel?
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I got a call from my dealer today, regarding a snorkel they just got in their parts department. If you remember, my jeep accidentally turned into a submarine, and the engine didn't like it too much. I doubt that the snorkel is actually made for the Patriot, but I will check it out once I get back from Thanksgiving break and let you all know what's up.
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Ooh, do want! This autumn I was driving on a street here in Helsinki and a larger-than-expected puddle threw water over the (fortunately) right side of the hood. Pointed out to me just how easy it is to get water splashes above the height of the air intake, even on asphalt...
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Um, yeahhhhh...
Let's start with the owner's manual which clearly states no more than 5 MPH through water - Dude, let's be honest, you were going much faster, which is a typical reaction! If someone puts a snorkel on and thinks you can do 10-20 MPH through a puddle, you're in for a lot more trouble.
Now, lets turn to the vehicle itself. If you get into too much water, you will begin to float! To counteract this in most vehicles designed to snorkel, the vehicle is designed to sink. Two questions come to mind here: 1) do you really want to drill holes in your floorboards, and 2) do you really want to soak the inside of your vehicle with carpet, padding, seats, etc?
Bottom line, unless you're building an extreme Patriot that isn't your daily driver, as is it for everyone on here I believe, a snorkel is NOT practical or worth the money and modification. Of course, if you think it will make your Pat look "cool", go for it, but I think it will generally garner laughs. I love seeing Land Rovers and other high-end vehicles with snorkels to the roof, knowing that if they actually used it, they would total the inside of their leather-trimmed vehicle. Just my opinion...
Let's start with the owner's manual which clearly states no more than 5 MPH through water - Dude, let's be honest, you were going much faster, which is a typical reaction! If someone puts a snorkel on and thinks you can do 10-20 MPH through a puddle, you're in for a lot more trouble.
Now, lets turn to the vehicle itself. If you get into too much water, you will begin to float! To counteract this in most vehicles designed to snorkel, the vehicle is designed to sink. Two questions come to mind here: 1) do you really want to drill holes in your floorboards, and 2) do you really want to soak the inside of your vehicle with carpet, padding, seats, etc?
Bottom line, unless you're building an extreme Patriot that isn't your daily driver, as is it for everyone on here I believe, a snorkel is NOT practical or worth the money and modification. Of course, if you think it will make your Pat look "cool", go for it, but I think it will generally garner laughs. I love seeing Land Rovers and other high-end vehicles with snorkels to the roof, knowing that if they actually used it, they would total the inside of their leather-trimmed vehicle. Just my opinion...
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if this is your occasional fun, a snorkle is a really good idea, and it won't take more modification than any other vehicle does. Cut a hole through the fenders and badaboom...
floating the vehicle has nothing to do with a snorkle. It's to move the air intake higher.
floating the vehicle has nothing to do with a snorkle. It's to move the air intake higher.
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The air intake is already at the hood line, approximately 38" (I measured). Since the most a Patriot is designed to handle is 19" at 5 MPH, a snorkel is impractical. Keep in mind, if you don't have the FDII package, your water fording depth is less.
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After my experiences, as long as the water, or mud stays below the top of the fog lights and does not get splashed up and under into the intake you're mostly safe. I did have very wet mud splash over the hood, which only led to the radiator steaming and the intake sucked up some clear steam, but the inside of the air box beyond the filter stayed dry.
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You're going to drive 5mph or less every time it rains heavily?
Okay, so you feel a snorkel is not needed. Fair enough. But dude - that's some pretty strong language there. People are allowed to disagree with you, you know.
Yeah, mostly safe. But things happen, people judge depth of water wrong, sometimes there are deeper spots in water that you don't know about until someone unfortunate drives into one, and sometimes, when the stars are aligned just wrong and Great Cthulhu is rolling over in its bed and muttering "just five more minutes, Mom", engines have been known to hydrolock when the water splashes really weren't that big or that high. It may not happen very often, but when it does happen, ouch.
Personally, I feel a less exposed air intake would increase the safety factor in getting out of a flooded area, driving through "holy **** that was deep!" puddles, and other such situations. This is just my personal opinion. I wouldn't take the Patriot for a swim on a regular basis, snorkel or no snorkel - deep water really does mess vehicles up, even those "serious off-roading vehicles" that are more commonly equipped with snorkels.
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Tony, the 5 MPH suggestion by Chrysler, not me, is intended for situations where water fording is needed, not every-day driving, even in heavy rain. I'm not sure how that is "pretty strong language" when it is in the manual. You can disagree all you want, I'm just saying, if you follow what the manual suggests there is no need for a snorkel on the Patriot - as equipped in either FDI or FDII, you can't take it in deep enough water. The only reason Dude hydrolocked his engine is because he was going WAY too fast in an effort not to get stuck. I think he'll agree now that getting stuck is better than hydrolocking an engine.
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UTKJ- nice sequence dude ! Perhaps you should invest in a radiator frying pan for the trout/bass that you catch in the grill next time.
UTKJ- nice sequence dude ! Perhaps you should invest in a radiator frying pan for the trout/bass that you catch in the grill next time.
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Very nice Photos!!!!!!!
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Since this is kind of related, a couple of pictures from downtown Helsinki, last summer. (Pictures linked from a Finnish news paper.)
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I happened to be running an errand in the downtown area right when the rain hit the hardest. One of the few times I've had fun driving in the city...
(Pictures linked from a Finnish news paper.)
I happened to be running an errand in the downtown area right when the rain hit the hardest. One of the few times I've had fun driving in the city...
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The secret to driving through deep water is to enter at a sensible speed and create a bow wave which pushes the water away from the vehicle and keep the revs up which maintains the force of the exhaust gases and prevents water running back up the exhaust.
Yeah it looks good and can be fun to just charge into water but you do your vehicle and your wallet no favours if you let it swallow lots of H2O, on top of that in all the videos you see on here, not once have I seen anyone testing the depth of the water and looking for hidden obstacles before charging through, there may just be a surprise in there which could ruin your day!
Have a look at this as proof!
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2011/03/08/brothers-amazing-escape-from-seven-foot-puddle/
Yeah it looks good and can be fun to just charge into water but you do your vehicle and your wallet no favours if you let it swallow lots of H2O, on top of that in all the videos you see on here, not once have I seen anyone testing the depth of the water and looking for hidden obstacles before charging through, there may just be a surprise in there which could ruin your day!
Have a look at this as proof!
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2011/03/08/brothers-amazing-escape-from-seven-foot-puddle/
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bloody hell,man,you need a boat!Since this is kind of related, a couple of pictures from downtown Helsinki, last summer.
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I happened to be running an errand in the downtown area right when the rain hit the hardest. One of the few times I've had fun driving in the city...
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I agree with you, 2 ft water ought to be inspected... or averted altogether. The photo however, shows water in a hole.... driving up to that at 40 MPH on a dry road, it would just look like a sheet of water on the road... if people stopped for standing water every time, road systems would shut down
That was just a freak accident
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We have an area here where they are doing road work, where the single lane detour has no where for the water to run off. One day last week we had heavy rains, and everyone was stopping to go through the water VERY slowly. I waited for them all to go, then plowed through, throwing water all over the place, and actually helped to get some of it off the road.
Our FDII's are rated for 19 inches of water.
Our FDII's are rated for 19 inches of water.
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