Had a pretty big load on the weekend. can you guess how heavy including trailer? The angle is deceiving...

I'm with you on that...but then I also own a Suzuki XL7 with 3,000 lbs of factory approved ability. That is a frame vehicle not all that much larger than our Pats, longer tho.I would never consider a Patriot for towing the lightest of loads. If I had wanted to tow stuff I would have purchased a very different vehicle. So no bigger load than my groceries for me!