Do you see a lot of Patriots up by Beaverton? I know this one lot up there had about 10 on their lot. Seems to be Northern Oregon that has all the Patriots on the lots. Roseburg has had a white one for about two months, I guess still on their lot. I live 4 hours south on the coast and I've only seen one and it's here in my hometown. Just curious!

 

On the same day that Honda announced it would discontinue the Accord Hybrid for a clean diesel version in 2009 / 2010. Perhaps the emissions issues have been resolved.

 

From the sounds of it, the car had Michigan plates. I have seen some GM cars here in Rochester, NY with Michigan Manufacturer plates driving around town for testing purposes. We have Delphi and GM Manufacturing and R&D sites around town. Soooo... perhaps DCX are testing the CRD Patriot for real world emissions/driveability in the US market for 2008 or 2009 ????? Just speculating here but it makes me want to :banana::banana::banana: Sign me up! I need a replacement for my GCL and can wait a year or so for a Pat with super fuel economy.

 

I hope it wasn't a non-US version driving around. The only reason I think that is that on the passenger-side front fender was a 2" long by 1" high white reflector/blinker mounted where a trail-rated badge normally would be mounted.

This part leads me to believe this was a European Model undergoing testing. All the Cherokee etc here in Germany have this turn indicator mounted in the same location on the front fender. I know the Dodge Caliber is sold here with a Diesel engine and the Patriot was announced in the UK with a Diesel engine option.

On another note a dealer buddy says the 2008 Spec sheet for the Grand Cherokee includes a Laredo 22X option, which translates into a loaded Laredo model with Diesel engine. No longer will you have to buy a Limited or Overland to get the Diesel engine.

Mark
http://www.4wdlinks.com

 

OMG. I can't wait! I asked my dealer if he knew anything about the CRD and if they planned to put it in the Patriot anytime soon. Of course he "didn't know" and figured "probably not". If they do come out with it, I suspect you'll see many of our Patriots up for sale?!?!?!? Imagine the increased torque and towing capability. Mileage probably wouldn't change too much, maybe a couple-few MPG, but it's still cheaper.
Watch those plates too, if it's out for testing it will say "Manufacturer Plate" at the bottom. Came from MI, these plates are common place around Detroit. Have a CDJ Shop Foreman buddy in Sterling Heights (Detroit), I'll ask him to keep an eye out and do some digging!

 

...Watch those plates too, if it's out for testing it will say "Manufacturer Plate" at the bottom...

I noted just about everything down to the tag on the plate but didn't check out the bottom of it. :doh:

I did get the plate numbers if that helps anyone...

 

Okay, okay, so I retract a portion of my former statement. Apparently, according to jeeppatriotblog.com (http://jeeppatriotblog.blogspot.com/2007/02/diesel-envy-jeep-patriot-20-crd.html) the CRD will get a combined 46 MPG. WOW. How much is it to import? When will AMERICA ever debut something that will take off, and is much better for the environment? Especially a product from an originally (and to-be-again) American company. No offense to other's, but seriously; they develop it here, test it here, and debut it overseas?!?! Oh well, just a little rant, cause I really wanted one!

 

On it being a Euro-Pat... Is the VW 2.0 CRD equipped? If not then what engine was in there? Too bad it couldn't be stopped for "speeding" on the way back to Michigan for a close inspection.

 

According the UK Jeep site it looks like it is a 2.0 CRD 138hp, 229 lbft torque 4 cylinder. I doubt it will come any time soon to the U.S. (if daimler had anything to say), but under the new management and high fuel prices it would be a VERY smart move for them to make! But, they have to keep the price down unlike the CRD in the grand cherokee. Yikes!!

 

CRD Grand Cherokee = bleeding wallet!

I was hoping there would be a CRD patroit in the USA since I'm really wanting one! But no such luck for us folks hugh? Now that Gas prices are at or near the levels of the rest of the world (without imposed local taxes) the American car buyer is really going to change.

 

Tell Jeep you want to see the an affordable, fuel efficient Patriot CRD available in the US now!

Go here and click on the "Send us an e-mail" link

If customers don't ask, they won't get - remember the Dodge Challenger? :smiley_thumbs_up:

 

:smiley_thumbs_up: Thanks. I just emailed them asking them for the fuel efficient Patriot CRD to be available in the US now! Maybe if enough of us bug them, they will produce.

 

From the info I got last time I was in the plant in Belvedere, the 2.0 diesel is not available for sale in the US for multiple reasons. #1 being the deal DCX worked with VW to source it wouldn't allow it if #2 didn't exist. #2 is, the engine does not meet 2007 and beyond diesel emissions standards in the US.

Jeep fans will remember the 2.8 CRD that was available in the '05 and '06 Libertys. Same issue with it, which is why it is not available for sale in the US even though almost every single one built for the European markets have it.

The Koyoto accord (greenhouse gas emissions reductions) isn't an environmental issue... if it were, European countries would have reduced diesel emission limits also. It is simply a disguise for an attack on the US economy. Think about it, diesels are clean enough for Europe, but not clean enough for the US?? Got a better explanation?? Arghhhh... this really makes my blood boil. Every time I'm in Toledo South and see a Wrangler 4dr, with a 2.8 CRD, I want one more...

 

I am shocked that you would think that European governments would play politics. Please cash these chips in for me.

 

@nonrequired,
so far i know german car builders try to introduce Diesel cars in the Us since years but wasn´t succsessfull for some reasons yet.
First diesel quality in the US isn´t the same as in europe. Diesel wasn´t hip in last years.
And do you know that now almost every diesel in europe comes with a special filter to reduce emissions?
But i think that Diesel has a big future in the next years in US too.
So it´s not up to eu governments that you didn´t get diesels yet.

 

Rends the price of diesel fluctuates differently here than gas. For 2 of the past 3 years it was higher than gas but has recently flipped to being less. Second, European diesels were not placed in those vehicles that would sell best with them. Here the demand is in trucks and SUVs where the extra torque will pay off. In Europe it is in sedans where the economy will pay off.

We in U.S. and Canada also have not really converted to bio diesel due to cost and the primary users being long haul truckers.

Not sure what the difference is in emissions devices but truth is the U.S. regulations have changed greatly and the manufacturers have all struggled with meeting them. That is true with all firms. VW sold out of all their diesel powered Passats & Jettas but they were dropped due to failure to meet regs. The Jetta uses the same diesel as the Patriot.

 

I would be all over a diesel Pat. As it stands now, I'll be looking at the new Jetta wagon when it comes out in a diesel.

 

I always thought that the reason that diesel engines were not being sold on mass in North America is because of the high sulfur content in diesel sold in the US/Canada. The diesel sold in Europe is better refined and their engines aren't really compatible with high sulfur diesel. I realize that US and Canada has taken steps to reduce the sulfur in our diesel and this should eventually allow an influx of diesels to finally high the markets here.

Am I in the ball park or out to lunch?

 

I dunno the details about the different Diesel contents but that what i meant when i wrote that euro Diesel is different than US Diesel.

 

Hasn't Europe converted to an 85% bio-diesel blend?

 

No it´s the other way . EU Diesel contents about 85percent or so regular Diesel and 15 percent Bio Diesel.

 

As I understand it, the EPA has mandated that all diesel vehicles in the United States have the capability of using ULSD (ultra-low sulfur diesel) fuel beginning with model year 2007. By December 1, 2010, all diesel fuel sold in the U.S must be ULSD. Wikipedia link.

 

Re emailed jeep about crd

I took someone's advice here and followed link. I asked if they had plans to release the diesel patriot here in. It took about 2 weeks got a email ,which I accidentally deleted, basically they wouldn't commit to whether there would or would not be a diesel here, but to keep watching as some exciting things would be coming

best wishes
aj
on the jeep.co.uk there is a video and it shows up to 50mpg:smiley_thumbs_up::banana: on highway and 30 in town avg 42, but the diesel only comes with the 5sp

 

aj1 -

Here is the reply I received today from yet another e-mail to DCX about getting a Patriot CRD here in the US. Very generic response IMO.

"Thank you for contacting the Chrysler Group Customer Assistance Center.

We understand your concern with this issue and appreciate the
opportunity for review.

We appreciate your enthusiasm for our concept vehicle and are glad
you've taken both the time and effort to share your comments with us.
Enthusiasm conveyed by the public is an important factor in determining
the viability of bringing a concept car to actual production. We at
DaimlerChrysler are excited about our new product line up and encourage
you to visit our brand websites for any future announcements.

Thank you again for your email.

Sincerely,

Kara

Senior Staff Representative
Chrysler Group Customer Assistance Center"

Well, you heard the lady, keep the Patriot CRD suggestions coming! :smiley_thumbs_up:

 

There is also the issue that in the states there a 5states that will not allow the sale of diesel passenger vehicles. California, Maine, Massachusetts, New York, and Vermont

They have to be work trucks in order to have diesel engines.

 

That still leaves a large percentage of the country!

 

That still leaves a large percentage of the country!

I agree, and wish they would release a diesel Compass/Patriot in the USA. However i think from a buisness standpoint i'd be a little gun shy when you start elimating cities like, Boston, NY, LA, San Diego, San Fransisco.

They should re-write the law to allow diesel passenger vehicles that meet clean air standards instead of just casting a blanket over all of them:doh:

{EDIT} - the more i think about this the more i get peaved.. what a missed oppurtunity. The chance to market a 40+MPG, Eco-Friendly, Small SUV, that is $10k less then any hybrid SUV, in the MOST major metropolitan areas where they should sell like "hotcakes". hrmpff.

 

Hey guys! 2 things -- and I realize this is an old thread but I just saw it today. European cars do not have as strict emmissions contral as the US/California standards. They have far fewer cars than we do per population and they drive much shorter distances than the average American. They can follow Kyoto even without lowering car emission standards just because they don't pollute or use as much fuel in general. I spent years living in Germany, Romania and have spent a lot of time in Spain, UK and Ireland. I know a lot of people and not one of them has anything even approaching SUV size.

That said, I am in no way happy about he US not endorsing Kyoto. I was raised to think that the Americans are the most innovative people on Earth -- and I think we just might be per capita -- but the current and many past administrations have deep pockets padded with oil money. Blow Kyotos standards out of the water and mandate all new vehicles within 3 years be plug in hybrids or something and I have a feeling we could pull it off and actually boost the economy. GET ME OFF MY SOAPBOX! :zzz:

Also, I noticed someone put the Diesel Patriot at 46 mpg. This is in the UK using Imperial gallons = 1.2 US gallons. So 46 mpg (UK/Imperial) = 38 mpg (US) -- which is still better-than-a-hybrid impressive.

Later all!

 

They have far fewer cars than we do per population and they drive much shorter distances than the average American.

Europe has MORE cars per square mile than the US, not less.






That said, I am in no way happy about he US not endorsing Kyoto. I was raised to think that the Americans are the most innovative people on Earth -- and I think we just might be per capita -- but the current and many past administrations have deep pockets padded with oil money. Blow Kyotos standards out of the water and mandate all new vehicles within 3 years be plug in hybrids or something and I have a feeling we could pull it off and actually boost the economy. GET ME OFF MY SOAPBOX! :zzz:



Kyoto is a bunch of b.s. "Developing" countries like China are completely exempt from Kyoto.