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So how screwed am I? :doh:

I was in a bind last night (bad neighborhood after dark, on my way to pick up my kids so not a lot of time at hand) when my right rear "low tire pressure" message and chime pops up. I looked and it was reading 27 pounds while the others said 31; I hoped it was just a cold-weather thing but then it kept dropping. I came upon an auto parts store, so I whipped in to take a look, and sure enough there was a piece of metal sticking in the tread of the tire, and you could hear/feel the air blowing out. Being time constrained and not being real comfortable breaking out the jack and spare in this particular area, I opted to toss in a can of Fix-A-Flat, which did seem to do the trick (though quite a bit of the goo was flung out of the tire and onto my wheel well). Anyway, aired the tire up down the street, and it was holding air, but the TPMS message wouldn't go away...that's when I remembered something about maybe this not being a good idea.

When I got home I got out the manual, and couldn't find any warnings in the "changing a tire" section (which is probably all I'd have read at the parts store anyway)...had to read the TPMS section to see the warning about not using Fix-A-Flat, which I assume explains why even though the tire had adequate pressure, the message wouldn't go off.

So my question is, now that it's too late to turn back, how promptly am I going to have to deal with this? This morning the tire had lost some pressure, but enough to get me to work (and hopefully home tonight). But assuming it continues to slowly lose air, can I likely plug/patch the hole, or will I have to get a new tire (which I wouldn't mind replacing because I'm not fond of the factory tires, but I JUST bought a new set for my wife's car last weekend, and would really like to hold off on that for a year if I could)? And what about the TPMS? Is it instantly bad now, or once I get the tire to hold air will it work for a period of time and then go bad?

If I can take it to the dealer and they can patch/plug the tire, and replace the sensor for around the cost of getting a new tire, I'd be fine with that. It I can go to a local garage and get the tire patched and wait for the sensor to fail, even better. But I don't know if I'm doing more harm than good by waiting to address it. And FWIW the sensor seems to be reading the pressure correctly at this point, it just won't turn off the "low pressure" warning...which as long as it will read correctly I could live with.

Thoughts (other than I'm an idiot, of course!)?

And while I found old posts here about not doing this, I couldn't find one of someone who had actually done this...so if nothing else maybe someone else can learn from my mistake.
 
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Last night I put in @ 32 pounds per my manual gauge, and the sensor was showing around 31, which I figure was accurate...but the "low tire" message didn't go away. This morning I had lost some pressure overnight (I figure the Fix-A-Flat hadn't thoroughly set up yet), and it was reading in the mid-20s. I didn't have a chance to compare that to my manual gauge (I was just glad it had enough pressure to get me to work and the kids to school), but I'll check it this afternoon before I leave work to see how the readings compare. If it continues to read the pressure accurately but shows the "low tire" warning I could live with that short-term...though it means when I have my next tire problem I probably won't notice.

I did walk out at lunch and eyeballed the tire and it looks like it has about the same about of air as when I left this morning (at least it wasn't visibly flat, so it's holding it's own), so I'll check it when I leave work, and see what it reads on the way home on the dash, and try to post a report later tonight. My guess is the Fix-A-Flat won't prove to work long-term, and I'll have to have the tire fixed anyway, so if they have to take the tire off I'll probably go ahead and get the sensor replaced too.
 
So how screwed am I? :doh:

I opted to toss in a can of Fix-A-Flat, which did seem to do the trick (though quite a bit of the goo was flung out of the tire and onto my wheel well).
I think you will need a new TPM sensor.

On the flip side, you are lucky. It is far better to have Fix-a-Flat go in the wheel well than in your face. Don't ask how I know. I just know.
 
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So now the question is, WHEN will I need a new TPS sensor?

I checked the pressure when I got home, and my hand gauge read within one pound of the pressure the TPMS showed (@ 24 lbs). I found my cigarette lighter-powered air compressor in the garage (which I'll be carrying in the vehicle henceforth), and filled the tire up to 33 PSI on my gauge (which read 32 on the dash)...at which point the "Low Tire" message and the warning orange flat tire symbol went away. The other tires were all in the 32/33 range, FWIW. I ran a quick errand around the corner and back, and all seems well. So for the moment my TPMS appears to be working fine...now I wonder how long it takes for the damage to the sensor to kick in (and how it presents itself)? Assuming the tire continues to hold air, I guess in the interest of science I'll leave things alone and see what happens.
 
Off-topic

Sorry, drive a '07 here so I know nothing about the TPMS system. Just thought I'd mention this, though:

Thoughts (other than I'm an idiot, of course!)?
You said you were in a bad neighbourhood. You said you did not feel comfortable with the thought of changing tires in that area. Assuming there really was some level of physical danger involved with hanging around that area, had you known of the issue regarding tire patching goop, do you think it would have been better to risk it and change the tire? Or would you say that thrashing a tire and a TPMS sensor would be an acceptable cost for avoiding said danger?

See, I'm not so sure you were an idiot. There are situations in which doing damage to one of your tools is the best way to keep yourself safe. (Example: if someone were to step in front of you in traffic and wave a gun around, would you stop to protect your bumper or drive over them to protect yourself? :) )
 
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Oddly enough, 15 years ago when I lived in this neighborhood, I chased a thief (who was on foot) into a shopping center alley (I was in my car), and ended up pinning him against a fence with my front bumper until the cops arrived. At one point the guy pretended to reach into his jacket for a gun, and I sat there poised thinking either I'm going to throw it in reverse, duck, and back away, or I'm going to floor it and smash him against the concrete retaining wall that was behind him at the time...but either way for some reason I told myself to wait until I actually saw a gun. As it turned out he was bluffing, so things worked out fine...but I still don't know which way I'd have gone if he'd pulled a gun (though I was driving my wife's Ford Escort at the time, so sacrificing it wouldn't have been that tough a decision!).

Anyway, on the tire front...I aired the tire up last night to 32 PSI, and this morning it had dropped back down to 22 PSI; so obviously Fix-A-Flat didn't exactly fix things. It allowed me to get by until the weekend when I can actually take care of things, but that's about it. If I can get the tire plugged without taking it off the rim I think I'll just leave the TPMS sensor on there for now and see how long it takes to fail; hopefully it'll last long enough that I can deal with it when the time comes to replace the tires anyway. Plus I'm curious to know how long it will take to fail, and what exactly happens when it does. But if they're going to have to patch the tire from the inside and remove it from the rim anyway, I might go ahead and change the sensor while I'm at it. So we'll see what the weekend brings.
 
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Yesterday morning when I headed out I checked the tire pressure, and it had dropped to 17 PSI overnight, so I spent the morning plugging the hole, and now it's holding pressure just fine. I don't know if/when the TPMS sensor will fail (if ever) but for now the Fix-A-Flat doesn't seem to have had any immediate impact on things. I'll post again if I have any trouble with it, so at least there'll be a record of how long it took for things to go bad.
 
It will fail, it happened to me on my acura rl. It took a few months for it to happen but one day it started reading like 60-99 psi on that tire and would do that off and on. I finally took it in and they said they "water or something" must have gotten in the tire and they replaced the sensor. Apparently any moisture, even from poorly filtered air lines at gas stations can be enough to fail the sensors. I never really even thought of it since that car was the first I had with tpms. I think that should be something they should tell you if it's not in the manual although thinking back it should've been common sense.
 
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