The diesel Patriot isn't available in the US because it doesn't meet emissions (doesn't burn clean enough) requirements. Hopefully they will offer it in the future. Until then we Yanks will just have to be jealous of our friends across the pond.

 

what do trucks/lorries/trains run on?

Compass/patriot is in the top 50 green cars here in oz with mostly hybrids ahead of them

that sounds like a load of political crap

 

what do trucks/lorries/trains run on?

Compass/patriot is in the top 50 green cars here in oz with mostly hybrids ahead of them

that sounds like a load of political crap[/QUOTE

All the old stuf is grandfathered under the law, the new stuff has to meet the new regulations. My Mom/Mum works for Caterpiller (heavy duty earth movers) and they were builing engines like crazy before the law came into effect so they could be put in new vehicles and since the engines were built before the regulation went into effect they could be used in a vehicle built later. crazy huh?

 

so using 35% more fuel is saving the world due to emissions issues

Jeep are selling 90% of there cars here as diesel and we love that
only jeeps selling that are not diesel are the hemi v8's
the patriot and compass really struggle here in petrol as Toyota and Honda etc have the small SUV market rapt up

point of difference is CRD and cannot get enough of them here....


I just have a chat to that president bloke of yours whilst he is here and let him know about what a stupid chioice that is

 

There are hardly any diesels available in SUVs or cars in North America. For full size pick up trucks, yes.

There was the diesel Liberty in 2005 and 2006, however those are discontinued for some reason. I was thinking of getting one of those used in a couple of years, but I hear bad things about dealerships and the lack of knowledge on how to fix them. That is scaring me away from them.

I would really like a mid size SUV as my next vehicle, but they are all gassers which get horrible gas mileage. IE Ford Escape, Nissan Pathfinder, Toyota 4Runner, Chevy Trailblazer etc.

There are the Honda CRV and Toyota Rav4, but they are close to 30K Canadian new for a base 4wd model.

So at this time I'm looking at the Patriot, nothing can close to the price even if you get lot of options. I want a real automatic and not CVT so it'll be a while before I can embrace it. So I'll just continue to read the forums for more info.

WE NEED MORE DIESEL OPTIONS IN NORTH AMERICA!

 

Gas Vs. Diesel..

Diesel puts out a similar amount of emissions as Gas when you factor in the higher energy output and better MPG (based on Wikipedia)

However, Diesel still puts out too much Sulfur emissions, much more than Gas. I think the biggest issue is that it causes Acid Rain. (along with heart/lung issues, but I don't know if this is because of Sulfur or something else)

But now that we have Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel, I'm not sure why its still difficult to meet the requirements. I will need to ask my friend who works at the EPA.

Good read at Wikipedia on Diesel:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel

 

diesel= more mpg. more mpg=less gallon used. less gallon sold = less tax revenue. Anymore guesses as to why they keep diesels out of our smaller cars. Your government and special interest groups at work!

 

diesel/petrol emissions is a load of crap.

lower road tax in uk for diesel as crd is 180CO2g/km...2.4 petrol manual is 206CO2g/km quite a bit worse. I would say 85% sold are crd here.

petrol pollutes MORE.........

 

Grand Cherokee 3.0L CRD

Before we get into a off topic political debate about America's choice of fuel, check out this article in Truck Trends about the Jeep Cherokee 3.L CRD. The article implies that all Jeep SUV's will heading in this direction.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j218/dtocks/GrandCherokee.jpg

 

Before we get into a off topic political debate about America's choice of fuel, check out this article in Truck Trends about the Jeep Cherokee 3.L CRD. The article implies that all Jeep SUV's will heading in this direction.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j218/dtocks/GrandCherokee.jpg

we have a 3.0l crd commander and 300c touring in our family

they are amazing cars

the 300c have forced the Big fords to stop production in OZ

CRD and hybrid will be the only cars you can buy soon

 

Glad you like you Diesel Pat Tasar. We went against the Diesel purely because it only came in Manual and I'm too lasy!

Well not just lasy, but I didn't like the way it drove, I thought it was very stiff and the gear box notchy. I too was drawn to the fuel economy. Just a shame it didn't come in an automatic.

I was just about to buy a Diesel Nitro as I loved them, but thought I'd save $8K by buying the CVT Patriot. We love it, only had it for 4 days now. Can't get my wife out of it. I have hardly driven it!

Mossy

 

In that article the MPG's weren't that impressive. Does anybody know why? I was expecting something in the 30's for a 3.0L instead of 20/25. Just a thought.

 

the 3.0l crd does the following 5 spd auto only

Commander 13l per 100k
grand 11.5l per 100k
these 2 can tow 3.5tonne with over 300k ball weight

300c 8.9l per 100k

the 2.8l crd 5spd auto and 6spd man

wrangler and wrangler umlimited 10.5l per 100k
nitro 10l per 100k
Cherokee/liberty 10l per 100k

2.0l crd in 6spd manual only

compass 6.5l per 100k
patriot 6.7l per 100k
compass 6.5l per 100k
Dodge cailbar 6.3l per 100k


these figures are way too hard too ignore and most are over 30% better than petrol equivalent and most of the diesel have more torque

 

Other issues

Diesel is OK for trucks above a certain size, but hasn't traditionally been well accepted for passanger cars. Passenger cars face a different set of emissions regs. Early attempts by GM really left a bad taste with consumers as well. The other issue is the cold climate in the northern sections of the US. Diesels don't do well once it gets down below 20F. Large tractor-trailer (semis) units just keep running to combat this, but still have to be careful about fuel gelling if it gets too cold. That is impractical for a passenger car and the average consumer isn't aware of the different grades of diesel fuel ie. 1 vs. 2.

I think the new low sulfer fuel and new emission equipment actually makes them legal in all states except CA and NY, but those are the biggest markets so I think once they are passed by those states, we'll see them here.

 

Diesel is OK for trucks above a certain size, but hasn't traditionally been well accepted for passanger cars. Passenger cars face a different set of emissions regs. Early attempts by GM really left a bad taste with consumers as well. The other issue is the cold climate in the northern sections of the US. Diesels don't do well once it gets down below 20F. Large tractor-trailer (semis) units just keep running to combat this, but still have to be careful about fuel gelling if it gets too cold. That is impractical for a passenger car and the average consumer isn't aware of the different grades of diesel fuel ie. 1 vs. 2.

I think the new low sulfer fuel and new emission equipment actually makes them legal in all states except CA and NY, but those are the biggest markets so I think once they are passed by those states, we'll see them here.

What are you talking about

Diesel is good for trucks

No meaning to be disrespectful but you guys have to get into the real world

All european Car companies sell Diesel cars and they are now out numbering Petrol

there are now 1.8l and 2l, 2.5l, 2.8l 3.0l etc etc varieties of diesels

VW
Citren
BMW
Renault
Jeep - everywhere but US
Mercedes
toyota
Nissan
Saab

All sell most of there cars in a diesel variety

it gets colder in europe than Northern America and guess what Diesel comes in Cold climate variety

Get on the internet and look at sites from around the world not just USA and understand that Diesel and hybrids are the way to go

it is green, clean and fuel friendly

What you are saying is just wrong

 

I see why they call you MrSensible. You sold me on the argument.. Thanks.

 

Final diesel question...

I am interested in a 2wd Patriot but would prefer better MPG. I would like to know the story on:

When we can expect the new diesel powered Pat?

what will it cost over the gas model,

how much better MPG will it produce.

Thanks, George in Tallahassee

penick@nettally.com

 

CORRECT tasar...... CRD in uk has same engine exactly as VW Golf, Bora, Passat, 2.0 Tdi PD 138hp and around 225 torques. low emissions so cheap road tax and average 42mpg.

SUV's in the uk are approx 80% diesel.

also Finland gets bloody cold in winter and in these countries there are additives in the diesel to stop it freezing.

 

ok jeep have finally got diesels in US

http://www.jeepnewsnow.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=1727

you will all be amazed just take one for a drive

 

That's kind of like buying a Dodge p-up. Its fine if you have 35+ thousand.
We need diesels in a lower price range, and smaller vehicles so the mpg is better than the P-UP, or Grand.

 

Unfortunately, Jeep seems to only want to cater to the financially elite. Jeep has been exporting the VW-based Patriot to markets outside of NA. The reviews have been positive. The VW 2.0 is now 50 state approved. Why not make this option available to the NA market?

 

the overseas markets are taking all the crd's at the moment
there is a 6 month wait for both the crd compass and Patriot and a 5 month wait for Wrangler

they'll come

You guys in the US get cars way too cheap I'm paying $40k for my patriot here in OZ
So you cheap fuel and cheap cars ..... I suppose its a volume thing