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Correct Understanding of 4-Wheel Drive

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#1 ·
Today was the first real drive I've had with my pat in the snow.

My understanding of how the 4-wheel drive system works is that when I turn it on the pat becomes a "front-wheel drive" vehicle until the computer senses them slipping, and then it shifts to rear-wheel.

First, is this a correct understanding?

And then secondly, when I started up from a near stop on a hill today with a fair amount of snow, and while in 4-Wheel, my back end started wanting to push out from behind me. Why would it do this if it was in 4-wheel? I would have expected the FWs to pull it unless they were slipping?
 
#3 ·
By putting the Patriot in 4x4, you force 1/2 of the power to go to the rear wheels. In AWD mode, the front wheels would have had more power, up to 100%, and the rear would not have tried to walk out from behind you.

4x4 lock is a magnetic clutch in the drive system that equally distributes power 50-50 front and rear, then to 2 wheel on that axle.
 
#4 · (Edited)
So hang on a second....I have a 2011 Jeep Patriot (Sport, doesn't have FDII, so it's a FDI, right?). I thought it was 4WD, not AWD. Are you saying that the Patriot is a FWD vehicle by default EVEN WHEN THE 4WD switch is off, and that it will switch to part-time 4WD by default, but when you pull up on the 4WD you are basically forcing it into 50% front/rear?
 
#5 ·
If you don't have one of the Freedom Drive packages (FDI or FDII), it's NOT 4x4. Its FWD.
 
#6 ·
OK, so then I have FDI. So it's AWD then? Interesting... I had no idea... other than thinking it performed really well on some hill climbs when not on '4WD'.

Thanks for the insight! I was under an incorrect assumption. Is this (the FWD vs RWD) detailed somewhere in the manual?
 
#9 ·
The situation you describe is an "open" differential. A "locked" differential will continue to send power to each wheel equally. The Patriot has open differentials. There is some electronic wizardry that will help with that....
 
#12 ·
Good point Murman. AWD systems send power to any of the wheels, whereas the Patriot is front wheel drive sending power to the rear as needed(on demand 4WD). And when the lever is pulled, it's locked into 4WD
 
#13 ·
Too bad you can't lock it into FWD only mode. Oh well, still a great vehicle... if you overlook the fact that the radio has terrible reception and often picks up motor EMI on a weaker station... that's about my only complaint on it.
 
#18 · (Edited)
Freedom Drive would be better classified as an all wheel drive system because it can vary the amount of torque that goes to the rear axle. I believe for marketing purposes Jeep calls it 4x4. There are a few other AWD systems out there that let you lock the torque split at 50/50: Subauru's STI, and Suzuki's SX4 come to mind (although I believe the SX4's "lock" mode still varys the torque with between 30% - 50% going to the rear depending on conditions).

It is my belief (and I don't own a Pat so I don't know) that in nearly every condition on the street 4x4 lock is not necessary with Freedom Drive. It may even be detrimental as in the case the OP described, steep hill with a 50/50 lock, both axles with limited traction. Without the lock on I would have expected the front tires to slip then the system start applying a small amount of torque to the rear. In this situation it is possible that the amount of torque sent to the rear would not have been enough to overcome the traction and instead of spinning, it may have provided forward movement. Either way, it would have eventually moved to a 50/50 split if it kept spinning the front. The only time I would expect the lock to be useful on the street would be deep snow that you're digging through (3 inches or so accumulated on the ground) or extreme ice conditions. Keep in mind the 50/50 lock goes away at what... 30 mph? something like that.
 
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