I did the first change at 1400 and went to a full synthetic. First change anywhere around 1000 miles is fine and you can go to synthetic at that time.

 

we have a "know it all" here at work who swears to "break in" a vehicle, you should drive it like you stole it. He also says to never use synthetic until after 15000 miles. ( then again this is a guy who changes his oli once a year or 15000 miles because mobile 1 says it will last 25000).

I drive pretty conservatively and havent gone over 72 (local speed limit is 70)

 

Might be good now

Although I've read contradicting opinions on this, it seems like some folks think doing an early oil change with a new car helps due to break-in. I waited until 4500 miles and changed mine, came out blacker 'n hell. Used Castrol Syntec Blend with a Fram filter (don't shoot me for the Fram, all I could find at the time). Next time I'll probably use a Mopar if I can't find a K & N. Used the K & N on my prior car, a Disco II. Heck the repair costs on the Disco II almost were equivalent to the whole cost of the !@#$!@# Patriot. Don't understand why the Brits can design a car that can go Billy-Goat up a mountain but then cost $7k to fix!

Anyway hope that helps, I do recall the change being incredibly simple.

Take care & enjoy the ride
Walter

 

Although I've read contradicting opinions on this, it seems like some folks think doing an early oil change with a new car helps due to break-in. I waited until 4500 miles and changed mine, came out blacker 'n hell. Used Castrol Syntec Blend with a Fram filter (don't shoot me for the Fram, all I could find at the time). Next time I'll probably use a Mopar if I can't find a K & N. Used the K & N on my prior car, a Disco II. Heck the repair costs on the Disco II almost were equivalent to the whole cost of the !@#$!@# Patriot. Don't understand why the Brits can design a car that can go Billy-Goat up a mountain but then cost $7k to fix!

Anyway hope that helps, I do recall the change being incredibly simple.

Take care & enjoy the ride
Walter

We had a disco II se7 also! Gave it away for the Patriot!! The Disco did cost a lot of $$$$$$$ to fix. It had to go!

 

You better read up on your warranty requirements.I swear...these guys are like insurance companies, and will look for the smallest loophole in order to try to squirm out of any repairs normally covered by the warranty, if they can determine you didn't follow the maintenance schedule.

My Canadian Patriot...1st one is due @ 5000 kms. I'll get this one done at the dealership, determine how much it is, and ask the synthetic question at the same time.

 

The shop boss at my dealership said that I should change the oil at 6,000 miles per the maint. schedule. He said no problem using synthetic "but , that it would be a waste of money". Especialy with the lifetime warrenty, if it blows up anytime they will fix it for free. My first oil change is free, so I will take a good book and let them do it. After that I will do them myself. Contrary to what some will say, DIU fluid changes will not void the warrenty. I have always done my oil changes at 3,000 miles, times and technology change, so I guess I can too. Just as a side note: the SRV vehicles come with synthetic from the factory, they are not covered by the lifetime warrenty.

 

I saw a section in the owners manual about break in. If you read it let me know if anything important is in there. I don't think the oil thing is a big deal. All the major oils meet the requirements. Synthetics exceed the requirements. I use Mobil 1 synthetic and change every 5k miles. This makes it easy to see when it is due. On regular oil I would go every 3k miles. Doing the math the more expensive oil at longer intervals comes out to about the same cost. I changed the oil the first time before 3K miles to get the synthetic in A.S.A.P.

 

for me I change to my second oil change (10 000km canadien) for a full syntech Mobile1 5w20, change every 5 000km

 

I used Mobil 1 5w20 on my first oil change- about $20 for a jug at Walmart south of the Canada-US border. I plan to change my oil every 5k km (3k miles). I used an AC Delco filter but I'm still looking for a place where I can buy a good filter for less than I paid ($10)

 

Here you go Kanus http://www.newmoparparts.com/mopar-parts.htm all the spares you could ever need from mopar and at pretty good prices

Mopar oil filters for the patriot at a cost of $5.60 each. :smiley_thumbs_up:

 

Synthetic

There is no doubt Synthetic oil is better.

http://www.burkeoil.com/pdf/oilguide.pdf
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/at_001121.htm

 

There is no doubt Synthetic oil is better.

http://www.burkeoil.com/pdf/oilguide.pdf
http://www.canadiandriver.com/articles/jk/at_001121.htm

The only problem with the Canadian Driver story was the statement that you must change the synthetic at the same intervals as regular dino because of 'acid" build up. That is not true for a good synthetic. They control acidity with a higher initial TBN (Total Base Number) and can therfore go at least twice as far as regular dino which usually offsets the extra cost of synthetics. They also resist shear forces much better than dino which keeps them "intact" longer than dino.

 

If you are doing mostly highway driving, you probably don't need to change the first oil until 1500+ miles. I changed mine at 750 and it was super clean.

I use 5w30 Mobil1 Synthetic and I am changing every 6000 miles because of hw driving.

 

Ok... I have to ask. What's wrong with FRAM Filters? I've had them on all my cars for 21 years and never had any problems. I change my oil every 3000 miles without incident.

 

An autoparts guy once told me that Fram filters do not have a bypass check valve. Meaning that if the filter clogs, oil will not pass through. This could go both ways. Do you want the oil flow to stop or to continue to flow should there be some thing in the oil that would clog the filter. I have a car that the block cracked causing water in the oil (not Patriot). The Fram filter stopped the water from passing through the filter. But, I doubt that oil passed through either. The filter swelled up like a tick about to pop. I now use other brands of filters. SO, Sgtarky what do you think? I change synthetic at 5000 miles.

 

hello, ive been to other websites where they have cut into oil filters, and the fram just does not have the constuction of other filters out there, would i use one for a 3000 mile oilchange????, yeah in a pinch , but i would also not go over 3100 miles getting it changed out imho,....wix are great filters, so are the purolators, mobil 1's have an amazing pleat area but on the pricey size, and from the last pics i saw IF they have not been changed, the wally world supertechs aren't that bad either, infact id take a supertech over a fram anyday. but i would wait and switch to synth oil until at least 3-5 thousand miles just to be on the safe side to make sure everything seats a-ok. as for what kind of synth oil.....as long as it meets the specs called for the engine it will be ok...everyone has there faves...mobil-1, amsoil, royal purple, castrol....etc etc etc since i dont want to list other websites.. go to google and look for a guy named bob, he has this website about oil..if you want to really step back and look about how some people care about lubrication and care of motors then thats the place. some very knowledgeable people there and the flame wars about which kind of oil and lube are best are classic....but as always just my 2 cents and good luck

 

Walmart's Supertech is manufactured by Champion Labs - as is Mobil1, K&N, AC Delco DuraGuards (two different types) for USA, Bosch Premium, STP, Ultraguard Gold, Deutch & Luberfiner

Walmart's Supertech (often referred to as SuperTech or Super Tech) is a decent filter (for the price). SuperTech is a 20 micron filter -- that means the Supertech is a good filter for the price -- not a great filter for the price. There is always a tradeoff in price vs. quality.

Wal-Mart buys in such quantities, that they can negotiate good prices with their suppliers. I'm sure Champion was quite pleased to enter into a deal which allows Wal-Mart to sell these filters for $2+/-, when it allows Champion to make enough of these private label oil filters to stock every Wal-Mart in the US.

For under $2, the Supertech filter is very well constructed for all who might be interested. If it were my engine, I would pay more for better protection.

Does anyone know who makes the filters for MOPAR?

 

The mini-Mopar site has information from an oil filter study that is pretty interesting.
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilterstudy.html (original study)
http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters.html (lists recommended filters and those to avoid).

Although it doesn't say who makes the Mopar filter for the Patriot, it does state that Mopar filters are Frams, Purolators, or Wixes.

Even though most of the Fram filters are on the list of filters to avoid, the Fram Tough Guard apparently isn't too bad and is on the recommended list.

 

I read through the manual. I follow the recommended service. I use the severe recommended schedule; every 3000 miles. I take it to the dealer. I say, 'here, do the (mileage here) service, fix anything that needs fixing', and I go sit down. I see no need to involve myself further. It's under warranty. I'm doing my part to keep the warranty valid. One point, I do have a dealer that doesn't try to 'pile on' extra service nonsense.
I have 9000 mile services due next week. The 3000 was free. The 6000 cost me $15.00. The 9000 service should be $25.00. No comment on the synthetics. I've tried it on two vehicles. I saw no advantage.

 

I swear to God I only read your posts cuz I get a huge kick outta that Avatar!

But you saw no advantage to synthetic oil use? Did you go longer between stated changes or stick with the usual 3K times? I was always under the impression that synthetic was the only way to go (if you don't mind the added costs).

 

I've been running Mobil-1 full synthetic in my 2000 Impala since the 1st or 2nd oil change, primarily because the car has an oil usage monitor that tells you when to change oil, and I was uncomfortable changing dino oil at 5,-6,000 mile intervals. The car has almost 114k miles on it now, and it runs as quietly as it did when new, which was not the case with my previous cars which ran only on dino oil. I also figured by changing oil myself with synthetic, I was spending about what I would for someone else to do it with dino oil, so I wasn't really spending any more money than I could be otherwise.

I've never had an oil related problem with any car, but based on the smooth running of my Impala, as well as my wife's 2003 Accord (which has about 53k miles on it now), I'm sure I'll be switching my Patriot the first chance I get.

 

I agree with Randoo-N-CJ. I smile everytime I see the big muddy grin. Thank you, luffing.
I have no comment on the oil. Sorry.

 

Changing the oil for the second time and doing it myself this time! I am going to use Mobil 1 5w30 with a Mopar filter! Any opinion on the OEM filter? I don't want to use from at all!! I don't want to spend $20 on a K&N... The OEM filter is $7.00 at the local dealer! So what is you thoughts?

 

I believe the Pat takes 5w20

 

I getting my oil changed next week for the 1st time. I'm going to go with the synthetic

 

I did get 5w20 sorry! :doh:

 

I haven't crawled under mine yet to see how hard it'll be to change the oil, but from some photos posted elsewhere on this site it looked like the K&N filter with the 1" nut on the bottom might be advantageous versus trying to reach up in there with a wrench.

 

The nut on the bottom of the K&N would make it easy but they also cost quite a bit more than other good filters. I removed mine with a strap wrench like this one. A 1" ratchet fits into the end of the bar. It works well as you can use an extension so your ratchet is below the plastic skid guard.

 

Got the 1st oil change today.
Well....... when I bought the vehicle and drove out of the dealership with it, the dealer put a sticker on the corner of the windshiled saying its due for an oil change in 3 months, or 5,000 kms.

I read the warrantly manual, and it said 10,000. I showed up at the dealership today to get the oil changed, and met the service manager for the 1st time. I told him I bought the car there, and can you advise me when is its 1st oil changed due? He pointed in the book, and said 10,000. of coarse I pointed out that his dealership put a sticker on the window and its say 5,000. He apologized, and after i told him I took the afternoon off to accomplish this, he gave me the oil change for free. (I didnt care about knocking off work early in the least, but he didn't know that).
I thought it was a nice gesture. A $45 dollar Canadian value. He told me that synthetic oil is strictly my choice, has no issues pertaining to warrranty, and the cost of the change would be approx 90 bucks.
There you have it.

 

I found this http://www.mobil1.com/usa-english/motoroil/car_care/which_oil/WhichOilOption2.aspx

So, I haven't changed the oil yet should I use 5w30??

 

I am no expert nor do I know the difference, but i would stick to what the owners manual say and use 5w20. maybe others have better insight though