http://www.autoblog.com/2014/05/06/jeep-5-year-plan-grand-wagoneer-new-models/
Looks like the patriot will get another year?
Looks like the patriot will get another year?
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http://www.autoblog.com/2014/05/06/jeep-5-year-plan-grand-wagoneer-new-models/
Looks like the patriot will get another year?
Looks like the patriot will get another year?
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Wagoneer will be what I like to see. I don't think I can wait that long to replace our mountaineer though.
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I am surprised they are waiting till 2017 to make the new wrangler. That is a really long life cycle for the current wrangler, I guess my next vehicle will probably be the patriot replacement depending on what it looks like and cost. I would rather have a wrangler but a few things about the current wrangler I don't like mostly being too heavy, and rwd and no automatically switching to 4wd. It would suck on ice and snow in the city which the patriot excells at.
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Another link to the 5 year plan.
http://www.autonews.com/assets/pdf/chrysler2014/Jeep_Brand-Manley.pdf
http://www.autonews.com/assets/pdf/chrysler2014/Jeep_Brand-Manley.pdf
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So it sounds like the Renegade is NOT the Patriot replacement, or maybe that was the original plan, but is no longer the case. Am I reading that correctly?
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Renegade was never meant to be an MK replacement. It's in a different segment B. MK is in C segment and the replacement is still in the works.
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To expand on what the_jeep_now said, the chart linked earlier shows the different segments Jeep sees their vehicles in. Renegade is a "B", Compass and Patriot are "C", Wrangler and Cherokee are "D," Grand Cherokee and Grand Wagoneer are "D." So Renegade is a smaller vehicle in a new class for Jeep while Compass and Patriot will see an official replacement in 2016.
Not too surprising for the Wrangler, YJ was 87-95, TJ was 97-06.
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I wouldn't expect the next gen wrangler to be anything other than rwd/4wd. Talks of IFS are already firing up wrangler faithful. I couldn't imagine if they switched to fwd/awd.
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The most interesting thing to me in the Fiat/Chrysler 5 year plan was SRT rolling back into Dodge. If you look at Dodge's 5 year plan there is plenty of SRT in there, but you don't see it on anyone else's. Is this the end of the SRT Grand Cherokee and 300? I see they have plans for a SRT Journey. What's that going to be like? The Journey is a great vehicle. I can't imagine a good SRT Journey. Are they just going to reduce SRT to another meaningless badge the way GM did with SS??
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I can't even imagine an SRT journey. Should be interesting. Sounds like its becoming meaningless.
Is there really any difference between awd with lockers in the front and back and 4wd?
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Yes.... very very yes. an AWD is computer controlled and it can send anywhere from 0-100% of the power to either the front or rear axle, it takes milliseconds to change, and requires basically 0 input from the driver.
a 4wd is a part time system that requires the driver to tell it when to go into 4wd, and then it splits the power 50/50 which isn't always optimal.
If you were always driving slow speeds in snow and ice 4wd is great, but since that's not the case and road conditions are constantly changing, awd can be superior at higher speeds where traction needs are constantly changing.
So the Patriot is both by your definition, right?
As for the Five Year Plan, Allpar has some quotes from Sergio that are pretty interesting today. The big one is that its strongly suggested that they will be using aluminum in the next Wrangler.
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Computer control is almost always better than manual human control. If they can make the wrangler more computer controlled in its 4wd then what does it matter if its fwd when on pavement? I hope the use independent suspension, the military hummer does, why not the wrangler? Independent suspensions are imo the same if not better than solid axels. They just might be a bit harder to mod, but they are lighter. I really want to see the next wrangler light weight.
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Yeah and military hummers actually suck off-road. Ifs doesn't articulate like a solid axle can and you sacrifice strength of steering components with ifs as well. Also a fwd trans axle like the patriots would never be as stong as a traditional rwd trans/ transfer case.
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Ifs suspension doesn't flex well, it's weak, and it's expensive to lift.
Awd slips and is unpredictable off-road. It is also weak.
To go fwd would most likely mean a transversely mounted motor which means IFS, more difficult to have a sturdy transfer case and I imagine a more exposed transmission. In addition, the tj and jk are very close to a 50/50 weight distribution. A fwd based drive train would mess that up.
I suppose a good example would be a Honda Ridgeline vs a traditional truck like a Tacoma. What is better off road?
Awd slips and is unpredictable off-road. It is also weak.
To go fwd would most likely mean a transversely mounted motor which means IFS, more difficult to have a sturdy transfer case and I imagine a more exposed transmission. In addition, the tj and jk are very close to a 50/50 weight distribution. A fwd based drive train would mess that up.
I suppose a good example would be a Honda Ridgeline vs a traditional truck like a Tacoma. What is better off road?
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