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I know someone else posted that Jeep really messed-up when they decided to use a 17" wheel as the upgrade instead of a 16". I agree with this statement whole-heartedly.
So today I swapped out the wheel sets from my Xscape with the Pat's 17s.
235/70/16 is such perfect size for the Pat raised or not. 29" diameter and 9.3 inches wide. The "truck" even looks beefier, and we're only talking 1/2" more lift, but the wheel wells just look right. I think the Ford wheel even adds something, prolly covers up the weak looking rotors. My wife said "we are going to have a talk." LOL
The 17" wheel gives my Xscape more options as well, but also the ability to try a 245/65/17 that may or may no fit easily on the Pat. The 215s on the Ford look a little weak, but I want to fry them with the miles I put on, instead of waiting for my wife to run them down, which would take another half year. So I think this is a win-win for the two vehix.
What do you think?
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I figured you would all want a peek. They are friggin' sharp on the Xscape. The grey in the wheel matches my pinstripe as well. My TPM light is on, which answered a question that was in the back of my mind. I'm guessin' the Pat's is on by now as well. Oh, my wife had to work today, and she called to tell me that the Pat now drives like a truck. Yeah baby!!! Conti-Tracs are a lame OEM that Ford loves to use on their light trucks. They burn up in less than 30k miles also, but they are new.
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I met the wife and folks for dinner at a local deli last night. So I got to try and keep up with my wife in her Pat on the way home.
The Jeep just looks so cool with the lift and the Xscape wheel set lifting it another 1/2". I'm starting to realize how much the 17s detracted from the overall look IMO.
Oh, I tried to tell her that she is running 1.04x faster and to factor that in. She beat me home, but it was fun just seeing how high this thing sits now. I also enjoyed seeing how much she likes driving it......I now know why she gets only 21 MPG around town.LOL
I checked her instrument cluster and her Pat doesn't have a TPM system, I thought they all did. Even my '06 Grand had one. ???

A lifted Vibe?
 
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snokat said:
I met the wife and folks for dinner at a local deli last night. So I got to try and keep up with my wife in her Pat on the way home.
The Jeep just looks so cool with the lift and the Xscape wheel set lifting it another 1/2". I'm starting to realize how much the 17s detracted from the overall look IMO.
Oh, I tried to tell her that she is running 1.04x faster and to factor that in. She beat me home, but it was fun just seeing how high this thing sits now. I also enjoyed seeing how much she likes driving it......I now know why she gets only 21 MPG around town.LOL
I checked her instrument cluster and her Pat doesn't have a TPM system, I thought they all did. Even my '06 Grand had one. ???

A lifted Vibe?
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Just a thought, but is it possible that the Jeep picked up the TPMS sensors from the Ford, but the Ford didnt recognize the Jeep sensors? That would explain why your light is on and hers isnt. Im almost positive that all Patriots have a TPMS light, and the EVIC ones have a display to show you which tire is low. Im stuck just having to walk around the car with a tire gauge:)
 
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The lifting looks very Jeepish.... :)
Several Questions for the collective. Can the speedometer be calibrated for larger diameter tires? I know there are other ways to calculate MPH, but I will want it to be correct on the factory dash gauge.

Does anyone have photos of installing a lift kit? How hard is it to do? How long does it take for those of us who routinely take cars apart and put them back together, that is?

If I'm going to proceed down this path(trail), I'm going to want 15" rims with a big fat traditional Jeep white lettered tires. What is the bolt pattern of the Patriot? Metric? English" What is the back spacing of the wheel? I have never been fond of these wheels where the bolt face is so near the front plane on the wheel. But I don't like wheels to stick way out from under the car either.

How will the gearing handle larger diameter wheels? The 4 banger isn't exactly bristling with extra power. I have always felt 1st gear is a little on the low side but I do not want the Patriot struggling to maintain 65 MPH in OD either. So what I'm saying is starting out shouldn't be a problem, but what about highway driving.

They are predicting lots of snow this winter so extra ground clearance might be nice.

Thanks!

J
 
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A little OT - I like your Xscape. :) When we got the pat, it was between that, a Libby, and that exact escape (we were trading in an '02). We're actually regretting the Patriot over the Escape. :(
 
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No regrets on the Pat, but the Xscape was a great replacement for my '06 Grand. The Pat has a superior front end over the Xscape, the switching of the tires and wheels proved that beyond any doubt.

Jeepster, the Knowldege Base has pics that Havoc did during his install. It is not for the layman. Took 4.5-5 hours with a lift and an alignment.

Also, the TPM light is not even coming on during start-up, maybe it's broken?
Never been lax about checking tire pressure, well almost never, so it isn't a big issue. But I like the idea that the Jeep monitor could be picking up the Ford senders.

UPDATE: I was under the rear of the Patriot this morning and this is what I found. Apparently when the coil strut uncompresses the flange on the rightside RRO strut spacer very lightly grazes the tire. Seems the spacer on the left is not a problem as it mounts exactly as the right side so the point of the flange, triangular base, points to the same side as the right, to the right. Plenty of clearance when it is at rest or compressed.
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jepstr67 said:
The lifting looks very Jeepish.... :)
Several Questions for the collective. Can the speedometer be calibrated for larger diameter tires? I know there are other ways to calculate MPH, but I will want it to be correct on the factory dash gauge.

Does anyone have photos of installing a lift kit? How hard is it to do? How long does it take for those of us who routinely take cars apart and put them back together, that is?

If I'm going to proceed down this path(trail), I'm going to want 15" rims with a big fat traditional Jeep white lettered tires. What is the bolt pattern of the Patriot? Metric? English" What is the back spacing of the wheel? I have never been fond of these wheels where the bolt face is so near the front plane on the wheel. But I don't like wheels to stick way out from under the car either.

How will the gearing handle larger diameter wheels? The 4 banger isn't exactly bristling with extra power. I have always felt 1st gear is a little on the low side but I do not want the Patriot struggling to maintain 65 MPH in OD either. So what I'm saying is starting out shouldn't be a problem, but what about highway driving.

They are predicting lots of snow this winter so extra ground clearance might be nice.

Thanks!

J
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hvac59 did a write up with pictures on the lift...it's in the knowledge section of this forum...I did find some minor steps missing, but nothing too major...the time will all depend on your tools and garage...I would figure on at least 1/2 a day, if not a full day (8 hours) from the time you pull the Jeep in and pull it back out.

15" rims will only work if you use spacers...a couple people have actually tried and there are clearance issues with the calipers I believe. 15" Jeep rims will work...RRO used a set with their promo pictures of the lift on their website.
 
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I would say a set of 225/75 R16 tires would be the best with 16" rims and possible the RRO...they are 9.0" wide (section width on a 6.5" wide rim) and 29.5" in diameter...plus there are several good tire choices like BFG All-Terrain, Mud-Terrain, and other more aggressive tires. These still might be pushing it since some of my calculation further down in this post show that we would be best to stay with a <= 8.8" wide (section width) tire.
 
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I'm not sure what the backspacing is on those Ford rims but looking at TireRack's website it appears that they are 7" wide rims and with those tires (235/70R16) the section width (sidewall to sidewall) is 9.4". The section width on my 245/65R17 Bridgestone Revo's is 9.6" on the OEM 17" alloy (rim width is 6.5"). The width on the OEM Wranglers (215/65R17) is only 8.7". From the looks of snokat's rubbing and my rubbing, we would want to stay with a tire that has a section width of about 8.8" when running a rim with the same backspacing as the OEM 17" alloys...this is if you don't want a rubbing issue on the rear strut. I've yet to find a common spec for the backspacing on the OEM 17" alloys...to the best of my knowledge it is 4.785".

What's crazy is there are no reported rubbing issues (rear strut tower) with members who are running the 16x8" Rubicon Moabs that have a 5" backspacing...this puts the tire slightly less than a 1/4" closer to the strut than what the OEM alloys do.
 
Discussion starter · #18 · (Edited)
Boilermaker, after you upload your pics, close that box. The paperclip beside the smiley face above text box, click on it and then the jpeg. Usually you have to scroll up before you click on it, be sure to put the cursor where you want the pic in the body of your post. Be sure to resize your pic before, 50kb or so + or -.

I'll look into the rim width, though the strut spacer on the left rear has more clearance, I would say an 1/8 to a 1/4" more than the right.
I will be having a 10-day check-up of the lift by the installer on Thursday, their requirement, and see what they think about it.

FYI: I use www.wheelsmaster.com fitment page for tire and wheel info.

UPDATE: Looks like the Pat and the Xscape have almost identical offsets; Pat is 30-40mm & Xscape is 30-45mm.
 
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I agree. Looks like the Ford wheel is 5mm, believe or not, further in than the Jeep wheel. Judging from what I see, and the pic shows it, this seems to be the case. I'm not happy with this so I'm switching them back tomorrow morning, or maybe later tonight. I am interested to see what the spacing looks like owhen I get the 17 back on. I'm taking notes now.
So keeping the 17s on the Pat and getting Geolander A/Ts in a 225/70/17 is now the plan. Frankly, the RSA is a much better tire than the Conti-Trac, both on and off the street. So my wife wins, and I lose.
 
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