Does anyone know or have the measurements for the location of the trail rated badge? I can't seem find it in any crash book or online any place. Any help is appreciated
Trail rated badge placement
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If you took a carpenters square, and with a little bit of savvy, you should be able to figure dead center on one side and apply that to the other. Just pull from the same point on both side on level ground. (like a paved driveway for instance) Go up with your square from the pull point, and you have the height.
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Excellent idea. I'll give it a try. Thanks.
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Ok,…… know may create a few waves, I'm from the uk where Pats are rear. Trail badges have little if any meaning yet…… I hate to say…… actually quite like the idea of putting the badges on my patriot CRD Limited
(I'm running as I type this lol)
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Trail rated used to mean something but it hasn't in a few years. Chrysler has said that rather than the badge indicating a certain level of ability they will be applied according to their marketing desires, not off-road testing.
Adding the badge alone is not the same as claiming that an MK has the FDII package. The lack of that CVT thing alone would show that. I can see a clear difference in the "trail rated" badge and claiming a different option package. It is not like the OP is trying to sell the Jeep as something it is not. The difference between a FD1 & FDII is hardly the difference between a Tempest and a GTO. I am fairly confident that no one outside of the smallish MK world would know the differences, anyway. Ask Burnsie (above.) Should the dealer hold onto your badge and only install it after you have proven that have done some off-roading worthy of the badge?
Such badging arguments only seem to matter to what used to be called bench racers. That is the title for those who sit on a bench talking about what their vehicle has or doesn't have and what maybe it could do... if they ever would do it. "By garsh I have FDII and thank goodness for the trail rated badge because the lot behind the store was gravel not paved..." Alas, my stretched wheelbase CJ7 with a locked Dana 60 front/locked 14 bolt rear and comp trimmed body on 38.5" tires lacked a trail rated badge...maybe it should have remained in the mall parking lot if you need badges to indicate that a Jeep can go on a trail.
Adding the badge alone is not the same as claiming that an MK has the FDII package. The lack of that CVT thing alone would show that. I can see a clear difference in the "trail rated" badge and claiming a different option package. It is not like the OP is trying to sell the Jeep as something it is not. The difference between a FD1 & FDII is hardly the difference between a Tempest and a GTO. I am fairly confident that no one outside of the smallish MK world would know the differences, anyway. Ask Burnsie (above.) Should the dealer hold onto your badge and only install it after you have proven that have done some off-roading worthy of the badge?
Such badging arguments only seem to matter to what used to be called bench racers. That is the title for those who sit on a bench talking about what their vehicle has or doesn't have and what maybe it could do... if they ever would do it. "By garsh I have FDII and thank goodness for the trail rated badge because the lot behind the store was gravel not paved..." Alas, my stretched wheelbase CJ7 with a locked Dana 60 front/locked 14 bolt rear and comp trimmed body on 38.5" tires lacked a trail rated badge...maybe it should have remained in the mall parking lot if you need badges to indicate that a Jeep can go on a trail.
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I think it's alright to put a trail rated badge on a FD1, if you're trying to mod it as close to a FDII then why not....
What's not acceptable is upbadging a non HEMI charger or challenger to an R/T, but that's another topic for another forum
As far as patriots... Do what you want. IMO obviously, I don't think it's a big deal.
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What's not acceptable is upbadging a non HEMI charger or challenger to an R/T, but that's another topic for another forum
As far as patriots... Do what you want. IMO obviously, I don't think it's a big deal.
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http://www.jeep.com/en/jeep-capabilities/trail-rated/
All those videos under the Patriot subsection clearly show they have never been tested off road and they have simply stuck a badge to the side. :icon_rolleyes:
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If the badge meant nothing, people wouldn't be asking where to place it on their FDI's...
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Adding the badge alone is not the same as claiming that an MK has the FDII package. The lack of that CVT thing alone would show that. I can see a clear difference in the "trail rated" badge and claiming a different option package. It is not like the OP is trying to sell the Jeep as something it is not. The difference between a FD1 & FDII is hardly the difference between a Tempest and a GTO. I am fairly confident that no one outside of the smallish MK world would know the differences, anyway. Ask Burnsie (above.) Should the dealer hold onto your badge and only install it after you have proven that have done some off-roading worthy of the badge
Now that's a bloody good idea! Dealers could only issue a badge depending on your off-road ability
Now that's a bloody good idea! Dealers could only issue a badge depending on your off-road ability
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Just go MALL RATED if you want to badge it...more unique for fun
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The Patriot is trail rated based on 5 areas:
1. Traction
2. Water Fording
3. Maneuverability
4. Articulation
5. Ground Clearance
Think on that for a minute. What makes it shine in ANY of those categories? The CVT? hardly..... The skid plates? Yeah, that's it. Or maybe it's the oil cooler, that has to be the one. So, lets break this down a little:
1. traction: Does the CVT help here, i'd say yes with it's low gearing in something like snow. But guess what else is a big piece of this? You guessed it, Tires. Funny thing, there are quite a few threads on there, including a new one on tire handling in wet conditions. plenty of others on traction.
2. Water Fording: Lets be serious here, I don't know of any vehicle that will wash out driving through water. With the logic of being limited by ground clearance/lift availability, it doesn't perform any better than any other cross over, SUV, or sport utility wagon. Like an Outback for instance.
3. Maneuverability: I'd say based on wheel base and such, it's as agile as any other vehicle with similar or smaller dimensions. If anything, i'd call it top heavy.
4. Articulation: Sucks, no contest. I've personally had a wheel off the ground more than I should have. But what do you expect?
5. Ground Clearance: Impressive for what it is, but standard on other vehicles.
So, in a nut shell, it will never be a rock crawler, it will never handle deep ruts of mud or snow, it will never have lockers, it will never have a lift big enough to clear a substantial off road tire. I absolutely LOVE my patriot and wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. But slapping a trail rated badge on a patriot is a marketing ploy, cut dry paste end of story. It does great in mud that it can handle based on ground clearance. Light trails and such that don't require hard core suspension flex it's great. In my opinion, the star of the show that many people rave about, the CVT tranny, I think is a disadvantage in the type of terrain it's best in, mud.
1. Traction
2. Water Fording
3. Maneuverability
4. Articulation
5. Ground Clearance
Think on that for a minute. What makes it shine in ANY of those categories? The CVT? hardly..... The skid plates? Yeah, that's it. Or maybe it's the oil cooler, that has to be the one. So, lets break this down a little:
1. traction: Does the CVT help here, i'd say yes with it's low gearing in something like snow. But guess what else is a big piece of this? You guessed it, Tires. Funny thing, there are quite a few threads on there, including a new one on tire handling in wet conditions. plenty of others on traction.
2. Water Fording: Lets be serious here, I don't know of any vehicle that will wash out driving through water. With the logic of being limited by ground clearance/lift availability, it doesn't perform any better than any other cross over, SUV, or sport utility wagon. Like an Outback for instance.
3. Maneuverability: I'd say based on wheel base and such, it's as agile as any other vehicle with similar or smaller dimensions. If anything, i'd call it top heavy.
4. Articulation: Sucks, no contest. I've personally had a wheel off the ground more than I should have. But what do you expect?
5. Ground Clearance: Impressive for what it is, but standard on other vehicles.
So, in a nut shell, it will never be a rock crawler, it will never handle deep ruts of mud or snow, it will never have lockers, it will never have a lift big enough to clear a substantial off road tire. I absolutely LOVE my patriot and wouldn't trade it for anything in the world. But slapping a trail rated badge on a patriot is a marketing ploy, cut dry paste end of story. It does great in mud that it can handle based on ground clearance. Light trails and such that don't require hard core suspension flex it's great. In my opinion, the star of the show that many people rave about, the CVT tranny, I think is a disadvantage in the type of terrain it's best in, mud.
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First, no Patriot is a Wrangler. Not even close. However, Jeep did design an FDii package to better equip the vehicle for certain terrain and conditions. Then Jeep engineers tested those additions in real world scenarios. Video taped them, and share the results on Jeeps web page. Notice that in each of those video's it is an FDii patriot. If it did not complete the tests, it would not get the badge. Is the badge a marketing gimmick? Yes. Does it signify that the model wearing it offers something a non-trail rated model does? Yes. Anyone is free to put whatever sticker or badge they want on their vehicle. But adding a trail rated badge to a non trail rated model (especially a model with a limited aftermarket support to make it trail rated "after the fact") I would consider bad taste.
On to your five areas:
Traction: FDii are equipped with a CVT with special programming for lower gearing, a "Low" mode, and come with different tires than a standard FDi. You can add the tire and wheel package to an FDi, but all FDii's come with them. Not to mention hill decent control. Not available on an FDi. Very handy to have in wet or snowy conditions on or off road.
Water Fording: the FDii's come with relocated drive line vents and extra door sealing to make water crossing's less dangerous and damaging to the vehicle. Many threads on this on this forum. FDi's are not equipped with the relocated drive line vents. "extra sealing" is debatable
Manueverability: The Patriot Chassis is the Patriot chassis FDi or FDii are the same here.
Articulation: same as above. No difference between FDi and FDii, except that the fdii model was tested and proven by the engineers on a carefully designed course.
Ground Clearance: prior to 2010 FDii models had 1 inch taller springs giving it a slight ground clearance advantage over the FDi. Then they started installed FDii springs in all 4x4 models. So, when the trail rating was accomplished there was a difference here, but not anymore.
Note that skid plates are not part of the trail rated criterion. They are added to protect the driveline or under body components after a model has acheived it's trail rating. Skid plates alone have nothing at all to do with trail rating a particular model. Jeep happens to understand that it would be silly to advertise a vehicle as "trail rated" without offering skid plates. As someone is eventually going to test out that "trail rating", and in our litigious society, a manufacturer telling you a vehicle is equipped to handle certain conditions could be held liable for damages resulting from you using said vehicle for that exact purpose. Skid plates are there for Chrysler, not you. Of course some of us (Aroundincircles) make good use of them...
For what it's worth, I have an FDii model and have considered swaping out the trail rated badge for one of the "mall rated" badges, as after all, it is a Patriot. Not a Wrangler. Besides, when I roll up that muddy hill and cross the creek and run through the sand, I will be able to say I did it all in my mall rated Jeep and that is way more impressive than doing it in a purpose built off road rig.
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The gearing of the FDII models makes a large difference. I like some others have offroaded extensively with 2 FDII Mk's. the 2.4L lacks torque and torque is needed while offroading. There is a noticeable lack of power at low speeds crawling though anything (snow/mud/rocks ect) and that little extra bit of gearing does make the difference between being underpowered and stuck, or being able to move.
The BLD"s in FDII are another huge advantage, many obstacles can't be passed without it. FDI has BLD's but they aren't aggressive enough to navigate difficult obstacles some times. I know this because you can have a FDII use the BLD's like a FDI
No the Patriot & Compass are not wranglers, but the FDII models are substantially different whether people want to realize it or not.
If you never go through somewhat challenging terrain offroad you probably would never notice the difference, but start to push it offroad and its immediately noticeable.
The BLD"s in FDII are another huge advantage, many obstacles can't be passed without it. FDI has BLD's but they aren't aggressive enough to navigate difficult obstacles some times. I know this because you can have a FDII use the BLD's like a FDI
No the Patriot & Compass are not wranglers, but the FDII models are substantially different whether people want to realize it or not.
If you never go through somewhat challenging terrain offroad you probably would never notice the difference, but start to push it offroad and its immediately noticeable.
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Touche' and well said. We are kind of saying the same thing, you are just more eloquent about it.
First, no Patriot is a Wrangler. Not even close. However, Jeep did design an FDii package to better equip the vehicle for certain terrain and conditions. Then Jeep engineers tested those additions in real world scenarios. Video taped them, and share the results on Jeeps web page. Notice that in each of those video's it is an FDii patriot. If it did not complete the tests, it would not get the badge. Is the badge a marketing gimmick? Yes. Does it signify that the model wearing it offers something a non-trail rated model does? Yes. Anyone is free to put whatever sticker or badge they want on their vehicle. But adding a trail rated badge to a non trail rated model (especially a model with a limited aftermarket support to make it trail rated "after the fact") I would consider bad taste.
On to your five areas:
Traction: FDii are equipped with a CVT with special programming for lower gearing, a "Low" mode, and come with different tires than a standard FDi. You can add the tire and wheel package to an FDi, but all FDii's come with them. Not to mention hill decent control. Not available on an FDi. Very handy to have in wet or snowy conditions on or off road.
Water Fording: the FDii's come with relocated drive line vents and extra door sealing to make water crossing's less dangerous and damaging to the vehicle. Many threads on this on this forum. FDi's are not equipped with the relocated drive line vents. "extra sealing" is debatable
Manueverability: The Patriot Chassis is the Patriot chassis FDi or FDii are the same here.
Articulation: same as above. No difference between FDi and FDii, except that the fdii model was tested and proven by the engineers on a carefully designed course.
Ground Clearance: prior to 2010 FDii models had 1 inch taller springs giving it a slight ground clearance advantage over the FDi. Then they started installed FDii springs in all 4x4 models. So, when the trail rating was accomplished there was a difference here, but not anymore.
Note that skid plates are not part of the trail rated criterion. They are added to protect the driveline or under body components after a model has acheived it's trail rating. Skid plates alone have nothing at all to do with trail rating a particular model. Jeep happens to understand that it would be silly to advertise a vehicle as "trail rated" without offering skid plates. As someone is eventually going to test out that "trail rating", and in our litigious society, a manufacturer telling you a vehicle is equipped to handle certain conditions could be held liable for damages resulting from you using said vehicle for that exact purpose. Skid plates are there for Chrysler, not you. Of course some of us (Aroundincircles) make good use of them...
For what it's worth, I have an FDii model and have considered swaping out the trail rated badge for one of the "mall rated" badges, as after all, it is a Patriot. Not a Wrangler. Besides, when I roll up that muddy hill and cross the creek and run through the sand, I will be able to say I did it all in my mall rated Jeep and that is way more impressive than doing it in a purpose built off road rig.
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Bring your FD2 trail rated patriot over to my farm on Claussen Road in Florence, SC and see if you can follow me in my 5 speed. If you can keep up, i'll send you home with 6 pints of my finest applepie moonshine. I leave you in the ruts with you wishing your gearing was more high strung, you buy me a steak dinner. :beerchug: Only thing you got to navigate is clay and mud, nothing tricky, I do it year around with out getting stuck. I got a basic AT tire, so no big advantage. Only main difference will be the CVT vs. the manual tranny. :smiley_thumbs_up:
If you can keep up, i'll send you home with 6 pints of my finest applepie moonshine. I leave you in the ruts with you wishing your gearing was more high strung, you buy me a steak dinner. :beerchug: Only thing you got to navigate is clay and mud, nothing tricky, I do it year around with out getting stuck. I got a basic AT tire, so no big advantage. Only main difference will be the CVT vs. the manual tranny. :smiley_thumbs_up:
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Your crawl ratio is 15.53, I still have 19
I'm not trying to say your FDI isn't capable but stock for stock I think the FDII has the edge, it wouldn't be fair to take your challenge as i'm quite modified now.....
But since you have a 5 speed, have you found it lacking in power or bogging down, does dumping the clutch fix that problem
The bogging down i'm referring to is on FDII's sometimes the aggressive BLD's don't work the best due to lack or torque, I could see a 5 speed somewhat alleviating the problem.
I'm not trying to say your FDI isn't capable but stock for stock I think the FDII has the edge
, it wouldn't be fair to take your challenge as i'm quite modified now.....But since you have a 5 speed, have you found it lacking in power or bogging down, does dumping the clutch fix that problem
The bogging down i'm referring to is on FDII's sometimes the aggressive BLD's don't work the best due to lack or torque, I could see a 5 speed somewhat alleviating the problem.
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