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#221 ·
Terasec said:
Can agree /understand
But then what american 4x4 would that leave me with for low $20k's?
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Can still get YJ/XJ/TJ for pretty good price, in good condition, wheel it, daily drive it, etc.
 
#222 ·
there is nothing wrong with Italy. But when it comes to me buying a car or truck. I prefer built in America by Americans. I understand that not all the parts in my Patriot are manufactured and built in USA. But if my Patriots was to break down in any way I know that the parts aren't too far away. Fiat is struggling but I can understand its a ugly car and is too small for me. Its just my personal opinion on how I buy my vehicles. My wife owns a Nissan Altima but she paid for it not me.
 
#223 ·
So you think that Jeep isn't going to keep parts stocked for the renegade here. I have never had any issues getting a part for a "foreign" vehicle.

That is fine if you don't buy anything imported but parts availability is not an issue in my experience.
 
#224 ·
I think some people need to stop isolating the world. It will be better if everyone shared their tech and knowledge to bind together to make a better product instead of all this them vs us.
 
#226 ·
The_Jeep_Life said:
I think some people need to stop isolating the world. It will be better if everyone shared their tech and knowledge to bind together to make a better product instead of all this them vs us.
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I'm not insulting the world. My Playstation 4 was made overseas my shoes ,all my kids toys , all my electronics are made overseas I don't hate on the rest of the world. I will repeat that's my opinion is I don't buy vehicles that are imported. Just like some people don't buy Fords, Apple products or just don't like certain grocery stores, I will would like to see its off road capabilities. I'm not hating on the renegade. Also would like to know if the trail Hawk renegade could do the Rubicon Trail. It's still a Jeep. Also wondering if it will out perform are patriots. I would also like 2 go on a trail run with one.

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#227 ·
RossoRacer said:
Nope, it's always been a V6 since the '80s or '90s(was once available V8, looong ago). They came out with a supercharger on the V6 from the factory in 2004, same body style, but I'd just prefer 2000.
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The 2006-2007 Monte Carlo SS and 2006-2009 impala SS, and 2005-2008 Grand Prix GXP all had the 5.3 LS4 V8 with around 305 HP.
 
#229 · (Edited)
nth256 said:
Your beloved Patriot was spawned in a think tank populated with Japs & Krauts - the MK platform was a co-creation of DaimlerChrysler, Mitsubishi, & Hyundai. The 2.4L GEMA engine is the same basic architecture as those in the Hyundai Santa Fe. The 9-speed tranny of the newest Patriots resides in the Kia Sportage, while the CVTs of yore were purchased as assembled units from JATCO, which is partly owned by Nissan.
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The newest Patriots have a 6-speed, not a 9-speed. The JATCO CVT is also not of yore as they can be had in a 2014.

My problem lies in Japan in particular. They take full advantage of our open market while keeping their home market fairly closed, especially to us. They disallow our food imports to protect their home markets. They have waged what has been called economic warfare on us for decades and so many of us not only just roll over and take it we actively support it.

For those who think a Toyota or Honda assembled in America is an American car go ask Honda if they are an American company. BMW assembles cars here...is BMW American? GM builds cars in Australia but I never hear anyone refer to GM as an Australian company or a Chevy Traverse as an Australian car.

A Jeep built by an Italian company in Italy has no claim on the title "American" at all.
 
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#230 ·
incommando said:
The newest Patriots have a 6-speed, not a 9-speed. The JATCO CVT is also not of yore as they can be had in a 2014.
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Good call on the transmission specs; my bad.

incommando said:
My problem lies in Japan in particular. They take full advantage of our open market while keeping their home market fairly closed, especially to us. They disallow our food imports to protect their home markets. They have waged what has been called economic warfare on us for decades and so many of us not only just roll over and take it we actively support it.
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So, who's at fault here? Is it the corporations that claim to be "American" and yet source materials and parts from foreign companies, ship jobs overseas, and/or are owned by foreign entities? Or the government policies that allow these practices to take place? It seems that Japan, China, Taiwan, and S. Korea benefit from US-based corporations that are far less patriotic than the people who buy from them.

I'd like to dig more specifically into US/Japan trade relations (because i honestly love to get into these conversations! I end up learning so much), but it would be way, way over my head. I'm not on that level, not yet.

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A Jeep built by an Italian company in Italy has no claim on the title "American" at all.
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I'll see you and raise you - No Jeep that has been built after Fiat's aquisition of Chrysler has any claim on the title "American", because the profits go to foreign owners. Chrysler and all its brands are now foreign, and it didn't start with the Renegade. Hell, you could run it back to the "merger of equals" with Daimler in '98.
 
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I'll have you know my dad magically turned German to Italian when Fiat acquired Chrysler back in 2009 all while living in Michigan as an American citizen and engineering cars like the Challenger, charger, 300, and Ram trucks.


It all makes sense now... Jeep are just rebadged Fiats while the American engineers sitting in Auburn Hills do nothing everyday and just put their badges on "fiat" automobiles.

If there one thing that frustrates me more than anything else, it's not giving credit where it is due.


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#233 ·
2014 Altitude said:
I'll have you know my dad magically turned German to Italian when Fiat acquired Chrysler back in 2009 all while living in Michigan as an American citizen and engineering cars like the Challenger, charger, 300, and Ram trucks.


It all makes sense now... Jeep are just rebadged Fiats while the American engineers sitting in Auburn Hills do nothing everyday and just put their badges on "fiat" automobiles.

If there one thing that frustrates me more than anything else, it's not giving credit where it is due.
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No disrespect to your dad whatsoever. I wish I did the work that he does, I've always been fascinated with auto and aero engineering (but stupid me, I went with civil.)

My argument is against the belligerent, closed-minded nationalism associated with certain American marques (Jeep among them) that's based on nothing. The "buy American" mantra completely eludes the truth - there are very, very few American brands anymore. Your father simply works for a company, a corporation. To argue that he works for a more-or-less American corporation is simply ignoring the facts - it's a GLOBAL corporation.

Keep in mind, I'm not calling YOU out here (unless you fall into the jingoist vibe), and I'm not even pointing fingers on this forum - its endemic in our culture, and its pushed on us by corporations - they say "Buy American" but what they really mean is "Buy, American!"

I'm saying, that if people wanna parade their Dodges, Fords, and Chevys (and Motorolas, and Walmarts, and and and...) as "truly American" then they're simply subscribing to a mantra and not really looking at reality.

That said, I'm not suggesting we should shun the Fiat/Chrysler lineup or that we shouldn't buy foreign goods sporting American names (if you choose not to, good for you, and good luck!); I'm saying, stop bashing on people and companies for not living up to some ideal of patriotism that isn't based in reality.

Also, I like the Renegade, for the most part. It's certainly growing on me.
 
#234 ·
Just saw this quick size comparo over on Jalopnik, thought you guys would get a kick out if it (emphasis is mine):

2001 XJ Cherokee:
Overall length: 167.5"
Wheelbase: 101.4"
Width: 69.4"
Height: 64"
4WD ground clearance: 8.1"

2015 Renegade:
Overall length: 166.6"
Wheelbase: 101.2"
Width: 71.0"
Height: 66.5"
4WD ground clearance: 8.7"
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Article, for your reading pleasure.
 
#235 ·
The Renegade is bigger than what I thought it would be, if these numbers are correct. I thought it would be more the size of something like the Kia Soul. I hope its about the size of the XJ. This 58 year old is going to check it out even though its aimed at the young(young at heart?).
 
#236 ·
surgtech1956 said:
The Renegade is bigger than what I thought it would be, if these numbers are correct. I thought it would be more the size of something like the Kia Soul. I hope its about the size of the XJ. This 58 year old is going to check it out even though its aimed at the young(young at heart?).
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It lines up pretty closely to the XJ, according to the numbers above. Keep in mind, also, that the Renegade has a transverse engine layout, which increases cab space significantly over the XJ's inline six.

Coincidentally, the Renegade also very close in exterior dimensions to the Scion xB (I assume the later version), in all areas except ground clearance.

The new Elantra on display at the NYAS actually counts as a large car now... the kids have all grown up, i guess!
 
#238 ·
I'm sure wikipedia will give you a far more accurate answer than I can, but here's my understanding:

The transverse FF layout was developed to cut costs by allowing the engine/transmission to be assembled as a unit, then plugged into a chassis, rather than installing them in the front of the car, then adding a separate differential in the rear, and then the driveline in between. Also, it keeps the weight over the traction wheels, which helps with snow and sand. On top of that, it allows for the firewall to be closer to the front wheels, which either helps make a more spacious cabin, or allows the whole vehicle to be more compact overall.

Which is not to say it's inferior or superior to a FR layout; it just happens to be cheaper and more flexible when designing passenger vehicles.
 
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