I've heard some good and some bad about the CVT--good for fuel efficiency but revs up high when pushed and can be a little noisy...wondering if anybody is looking for a manual tranny in the Patriot?
Manual tranny vs CVT---what do you think?
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wow Patriot vs HHR and PT cruiser...tough decision...For me the purchase of a new vehicle is a big deal. The next vehicle I buy will take me into retirement and I will need to keep it for quite a while. It will also replace my Neon with automatic that gets 40mpg highway, and my Toyota truck with manual which gets 31.5 mpg.
For my only car I would like to have an automatic. I would realy like to have a Patriot for its form and function, but I am leary of both reliability of CVT and am disapointed by the gas milage with that transmission. Many conventional automatics get within 1mpg of their manual counterparts, some get the same milage and one gets better with the auto than the manual! I am afraid that Jeep's claim that they chose the CVT for better gas milage than a conventional automatic does not stand up to the facts.
Since my knees are not getting any younger, and the CVT does not appeal to me, I think I will either wait a year or two to see if jeep will offer a conventional automatic, or I will need to consider an Chevy HHR or a PT Cruiser.
But dang it, I would realy like a Patriot the most.
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Sounds like a Scion xB would suit your requirements better than an HHR or PT Cruiser. I got 34 city/37 highway with a 5spd... and I've heard that the automatic is within 1mpg of that. Also, considering that it is a Toyota, using proven a design and proven components, it will last a long time.For me the purchase of a new vehicle is a big deal. The next vehicle I buy will take me into retirement and I will need to keep it for quite a while. It will also replace my Neon with automatic that gets 40mpg highway, and my Toyota truck with manual which gets 31.5 mpg.
For my only car I would like to have an automatic. I would realy like to have a Patriot for its form and function, but I am leary of both reliability of CVT and am disapointed by the gas milage with that transmission. Many conventional automatics get within 1mpg of their manual counterparts, some get the same milage and one gets better with the auto than the manual! I am afraid that Jeep's claim that they chose the CVT for better gas milage than a conventional automatic does not stand up to the facts.
Since my knees are not getting any younger, and the CVT does not appeal to me, I think I will either wait a year or two to see if jeep will offer a conventional automatic, or I will need to consider an Chevy HHR or a PT Cruiser.
But dang it, I would realy like a Patriot the most.
If my xB was an auto instead of manual I might still have it (rather than have traded it in for a Patriot).
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for a first time driver such as myself and all of my friends, we would most likely opt for the cvt over the manual for the simple reason that we dont know how to drive a stick! lol
I know I am being fussy, but I am not sure I could live with the looks of the xB. I realy like Toyota too, but they could use a better design team for all of their vehicles. Still leaning towards the Patriot. Thanks for the input, I am always open to suggestions.
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beepbeep, regarding your knees, I would encourage you to try both the CVT and manual tranny. I was delightfully surprised as to the clutch lightness and the manual transmission's throw and rather positive gear placement; way better than any manual tranny Jeep I have driven and better than many cars.
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Hey Beep Beep! I can't remember which of the major car rental companies are affiliated with (or owned by) DCX, but get thee to Budget, or Thrifty or one of the others featuring "Fine Cars by Chrysler" and rent a CVT Patriot or Calibur for 3 days. For $100 invested, you'll learn all you need to know. Good Luck!
Hey Beep Beep! I can't remember which of the major car rental companies are affiliated with (or owned by) DCX, but get thee to Budget, or Thrifty or one of the others featuring "Fine Cars by Chrysler" and rent a CVT Patriot or Calibur for 3 days. For $100 invested, you'll learn all you need to know. Good Luck!
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thats a great idea, i never thought of that
epper:Thanks Guys
Good to hear that the Patriot has a good manual and cluch. I think I will see if I can test drive a manual and then a cvt at the dealership, then decide which one I am most interested in, then rent one if I can find a rental in my "neck of the woods".
We have 3 local Jeep dealers. One dealer had one Patriot a few days ago. I think I will go check the availability through the Jeep website right now.
Good to hear that the Patriot has a good manual and cluch. I think I will see if I can test drive a manual and then a cvt at the dealership, then decide which one I am most interested in, then rent one if I can find a rental in my "neck of the woods".
We have 3 local Jeep dealers. One dealer had one Patriot a few days ago. I think I will go check the availability through the Jeep website right now.
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My Wrangler is stick. Sick of bumper to bumper traffic. Stick is fun cause you can coast and do other neat tricks with it. I'm just sick of shifting all the time. Fiance doesn't like motion of shift so it's CVT FDII BABY
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Make sure before you buy that CVT. I went from a stick to an auto and I miss the stick. They are so much more versatile and you never have to worry about the transmission overheating. I think a CVT would be better than a regular automatic though, because the thing I hate is when it shifts back & forth when I really just want to stay in 1 gear.My Wrangler is stick. Sick of bumper to bumper traffic. Stick is fun cause you can coast and do other neat tricks with it. I'm just sick of shifting all the time. Fiance doesn't like motion of shift so it's CVT FDII BABY
I'm going from my 01 Cherokee with an automatic to a 5-speed riot - I loved the old Cherokee but despised it when the damn tranny would shift going up an icy hill with rain coming down on it. I want more control in that situation.
The cvt is an extra grand - perhaps otherwise spent on upgrades? - and on my test drive I thought the riot 5-speed was just plain lots of FUN!
The cvt is an extra grand - perhaps otherwise spent on upgrades? - and on my test drive I thought the riot 5-speed was just plain lots of FUN!
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I find that the shift linkage is light years better than my Wrangler was if that means anything. The Wrangler's long throws made it difficult to shift rapidly. The throws are much shorter on the Patriot. Not sports car territory but very good. Still not going to be fun using a clutch in rush hour traffic.
I did notice a momentary lag when starting off with the Compass and Patriots I test drove. Something that would take a while to get used to.
I did notice a momentary lag when starting off with the Compass and Patriots I test drove. Something that would take a while to get used to.
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Thanks To All...
this has been very enlightening. Lease is up on my '04 Grand Cherokee - what a gas hog - and I am seriously considering the Patriot. Was looking at the standard - but with gas prices on the rise in New York, looks like the CVT is a better way to go.
this has been very enlightening. Lease is up on my '04 Grand Cherokee - what a gas hog - and I am seriously considering the Patriot. Was looking at the standard - but with gas prices on the rise in New York, looks like the CVT is a better way to go.
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If you plan on doing a lot of high-speed highway driving the CVT may indeed get better gas mileage due to the gearing.
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And the Manuals are not available yet? Do we know when they will be? And what the hell - standard does not come Trail Rated?
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I've got a manual 4X4 sitting on my driveway. If you want trail rated then yes you have to get a CVT.
when i was test driving the patriots, i didnt even want to finish the test drive in the manual 5 speed. having driven quite a few sports cars with a manual, the shift throw, throttle response and gearing was not fun. I havent had an auto since my first car, but I LOVE the cvt.
Dont get me wrong, I love manuals trans, and prefer it, but the patriot felt very slow. IMHO manuals are perfect with sports cars that have a decent size engine, but with the 2.4L and manual, it was not fun to drive.
Dont get me wrong, I love manuals trans, and prefer it, but the patriot felt very slow. IMHO manuals are perfect with sports cars that have a decent size engine, but with the 2.4L and manual, it was not fun to drive.
I don't own a Patriot. What about a guy like me who hasn't used a manual in his life (just a couple of times) and has been driving for 40 years or more. I would be lost shifting gears. Since I usually drive only on main roads I hope the CVT on a Patriot North works ok ... I am going to be testing one out in a couple of days in thoughts of buying a Patriot.
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