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Convertibles, soft tops, hard tops, removeable tops, freedom tops, sky slider roof, terraced lights, 4x4 systems w/ low ranges on most every vehicle...these are a challenge for the manufacturers. Aways will be. Convertibles require maintenance and adjustments. It's a fact. You wonder why the Toyota FJ Cruiser doesn't offer even a plain old sunroof, or back seat windows that move? Cost, complexity, and likelihood of repairs. :p


I've received several of the J.D. Power surveys in the past for various vehicles. I don't know how they pick who gets them and who doesn't. As stated in other posts, the questions cover such minor things as cup holders, etc. I've only had my Patriot for a week, but I've been over it with a fine tooth comb just checking things out. I looked at several other similar vehicles including the Toyota RAV4, Honda CR-V, and Ford Escape to name a few. I took plenty of time nit-picking stuff like fit and finish, interior materials, trim, seat comfort, finding and using various controls among other things. Taking into account the price difference of the Jeep compared to the others, I would say the Patriot can hold it's own. One major problem I saw with the Toyota was the light gauge metal used in the hood. I guess as a previous Jeep owner, I don't expect a lot of frills and don't have to pay for them with the Patriot. The big thing that scored a lot of points for the Patriot is that it's Made in the USA. The only thing I would like to see is a power seat. Who thought up the idea of a heated seat, but no power adjustment? If I receive one of the surveys, I think the score will go up a little unless the wheels fall off in the next week.
You should see the hail damage posts on the Honda CR-V owners club site. $4,500 damage is just crazy. Even the sides took a beating. One roof was reportedly so bad they cut it off! :(
 
I haven't gotten mine yet, but the dealer told me to expect it.

My biggest gripes are the arm rests are rock hard, and there is a lousy gap between my rear driver side doorn and the rear fender. Every time I look at it, I think that someone hadn't shut the door all the way. Drives me mad.
 
Age old saying...

Doesn't anyone remember the age old saying: "You get what you pay for."?? What do you expect to get when you pay the absolute lowest price for a compact SUV? That's like buying a $15 DVD player and complaining that the edges don't match up, and it occasionally doesn't read all of the titles in your DVD collection.

Personally, I tried out 3 different SUVs in the same class as the Patriot, and ultimately went with the Patriot primarily because of cost. I'm a poor college student. :) I don't expect it to last forever, and I knew that if it had any problems, they would be fixed free with either the 36-month warranty or the lifetime powertrain warranty.

The fact of the matter is that Chrysler has a well documented history of producing "sub-par" products at discount prices. It's actually a very good business move, or should I say WAS a very good business move. The general American consumer is trying to move away from discounted products and into "quality" products. Chrysler knows this. Why do you think they made the website (www dot chryslerlistens dot com) This website is a place for people to go and suggest ways Chrysler can improve its vehicle quality.

The good news about this is that Chrysler appears to be genuinely interested in pleasing their customers (and their shareholders). If they are successful, I will be a returning customer. If they aren't, it's not like I'm married to the damn company -- after all, to me, it's just a car -- I need it to get me from point A to point B, but BACK to point A, too! :)

My $0.02
 
It's just an average..

Absolutely agree with Myrion. Never owned a Chrysler product before and purchased the Patriot because the value was best in market. Have owned the vehicle for 3 weeks and so far have to say not bad. Have a tpms thats bad and have the dealer looking into moaning front breaks but no major complaints. I'll reserve judgment until after the dealer fixes the problems. Of course if jd powers were to send a survey I guess my experience would boost the average.
 
Doesn't anyone remember the age old saying: "You get what you pay for."?? What do you expect to get when you pay the absolute lowest price for a compact SUV? That's like buying a $15 DVD player and complaining that the edges don't match up, and it occasionally doesn't read all of the titles in your DVD collection.


EXACTLY. If I spent 40K on my Pat, well, I wouldn't do that, it wouldn't be worth it. but neither do I expect it to be a 40K ride.

My first "nice" car, was an '89 Ranger pickup I bought used in late '90 with 9K miles on it. It was totally stripped. No carpet, no headliner, no A/C, no radio, vinyl bench seat, manual windows and locks, 5-speed manual tranny. It did have a rather sexy stripe kit for that time period, and some nice alloy wheels and raised white letter tires. Lots of folks said it was loud, bouncy, and not all that comfy. I didn't care. I got a great truck, with nothing fancy to break, that lasted me until the odometer hit 314K, and the whole thing started to literally fall apart.

It cost me all of $7,200 dollars. I think if I compare 1990 dollars, to 2008 dollars, I got a better deal on my Pat, for a very similar vehicle. For what I paid, I don't expect an ultra comfy, ultra posh, decked out, perfectly designed and assembled "shangri la" of automobiles. I expect fair quality for what I paid, and honestly, I think my Pat exceeds that. Personally, I've always missed that old Ranger. The convenience and low maintenence factors of a simplistic "box with a gear shift" design and assembly are vastly underrated and under appreciated.

J.D. Power and their survey filler-outers would do well to keep things in perspective. If folks only want to be satisfied with expensive and fancy vehicles, than that's what they ought to buy.
 
I kind of came out of a Chrysler family... I vaguely remember my parents having a Mazda RX-3 (WAY back!), a GMC van, and a big ol' red Ford boat, but mostly I remember my dad always driving Dodge vans (he's a building contractor). Aside from Dodge's infamous issues with starters and alternators, they were always reliable work vehicles for him (at least the starters and alternators were always easy to pull out and rebuild!).

And then came the truck. An orange step-side half-ton Dodge pickup, bought brand-new in 1981. Four-speed on the good ol' Slant 6. Not the most powerful thing on the planet, but man, that engine just would not quit. My sister ran it dry of oil once and it just kept going. It was finally retired in 1987 with over 450,000km(!!!) on it... it was still running, but the body was getting so beat up (bashed-in fender from one accident, bent-up roof from a rollover, and finally a cracked frame), it was just time for something new. That was one SOLID vehicle, though. Dad spent months working in Northern BC, but worked mostly on the coast, while "home" was in the BC Southern Interior, so he spent a LOT of time on the road in that thing (he used to joke that the truck knew its own way through the Fraser Canyon).

I've been driving mostly Hondas the last decade or so - in fact, I've owned three 1987 Accords in a row, and they've been fantastic cars - and I'm a confirmed fan of rice-power, but I REALLY like this Pat :) Personally, with the wife wanting something bigger, I would have loved to go to a Ridgeline, but that was FAR outside the budget (heck, even the FD-I is just BARELY within the budget).
 
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080608/COL06/806080698/1014/BUSINESS01

Chrysler gears up to use criticism to address shortcomings
CEO tells workers to analyze complaints

BY TOM WALSH • FREE PRESS COLUMNIST • June 8, 2008

At around 7 a.m. last Wednesday, Chrysler LLC Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Robert Nardelli fired off an e-mail to all company employees.

Chrysler's biggest business challenge, he wrote, is to understand why many potential customers don't consider buying Chrysler, Dodge or Jeep brand vehicles.

And then do something about it.

Nardelli wants no whining about Chrysler products not getting a fair shake from Consumer Reports magazine or the latest J.D. Power and Associates report on vehicle quality.

Rather, he wrote, instead of putting defenses up, Chrysler workers should seek to understand the harshest critics of the company. And then get to work on solving the shortcomings cited by those critics.

Interestingly, Nardelli's e-mail was sent about five hours before the 2008 J.D. Power Initial Quality Study results were released at a lunchtime briefing in Detroit.

Nardelli and his top lieutenants already knew what the Power study showed -- that Chrysler cars and trucks had far more quality defects than the industry average -- but most Chrysler employees and the general public didn't know the bad news, yet.

His message was preemptive in a way, preparing the troops to hear some bad news.

Nardelli wasn't scolding or berating people for the bleak results -- Jeep ranked dead last among 36 brands -- nor did he try to soften the blow with lame excuses. He could have exempted himself from blame, for example, by saying the vehicles in this quality study were built and purchased before Cerberus Capital Management, which bought 80% of Chrysler from DaimlerChrysler AG last August, was able to make improvements.

Instead, he hammered home points that he has been repeating since taking the helm at Chrysler 10 months ago:

• Don't hesitate to confront problems.

• Everything is about pleasing the customer.

• Raise the standard defining excellent quality.

If this sounds like stuff straight out of the General Electric Co. playbook from the era of legendary former GE chief executive Jack Welch, that's probably no coincidence. Nardelli spent 29 years at GE before becoming CEO of Home Depot in 2000. Welch, a major influence and mentor to Nardelli, preached that a great leader must focus on articulating the organization's strategy and values, and on developing more leaders at all levels.

Chrysler, it so happens, is planning to embark soon on intensive new leadership training for its top 300 executives.

Will any of this make Chrysler a better automobile company? And even if Nardelli is saying the right things as the professor of culture change, does he have enough time? Or will Chrysler be engulfed by the sea change tossing Detroit's automakers around as if they were toy boats?

Those are fair questions. Soaring gasoline prices, at a time when Chrysler's bread-and-butter products are big trucks, powerful cars and family-hauler vans, are hammering U.S. vehicle sales in general and Chrysler in particular. Chrysler sales fell 24.3% in May and were 19.3% lower for the first five months of 2008 than in 2007.

General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co. stocks have been drubbed in recent weeks by rocky economic news. And even though Chrysler is now owned by a private-equity firm instead of being a publicly traded stock, you can be sure its owners are just as nervous as GM and Ford stockholders.

I don't know if Nardelli and his management team will survive today's storms and lead Chrysler to a new era of prosperity. Ten months isn't time enough for even the most urgent and dynamic leadership team to overhaul an auto company's vehicle lineup.

I do know it's smart for Nardelli to tell his folks in Auburn Hills to take a candid look at what J.D. Power and Consumer Reports are saying about Chrysler products. As he said in his e-mail Wednesday, those outsiders might not tell the full story of what's going on at Chrysler, but they do shape public perception about its products.

If Chrysler is to survive and prosper, the journey must begin with unflinching candor about the way things are.
 
The bottom line is you need to look at what your getting for your money. This is a fuel efficient suv. Bottom line is jeeps version of a crossover. If you read the reports for all related suv's (escape, vue, rav4, etc) they say one thing negative about the patriot and compare it to a competitor but if you read the competitor is gives them a negative review on the same thing. Each review is finalized by a different person/team. All of whom have their own things they look for. They may mention something about the patriots steering wheel but never mention it in the escape so they are not comparing apples to apples.
 
It's not just about break-downs and mechanical problems, it's quality in general:



The crummy interior materials used across the board for Jeep, and especially in the Patriot/ Compass I'm sure had more than a little to do with the low rating. Just look around the dash at the poorly fitting seams and disjointed design - not that it bothers most of us, but compare it to a honda and there's no question which is designed and implemented better. Add in the well known defects in the Patriot alone (leaking sunroof, dome lights, hood flapping) and it's understandable.

Here's hoping the '09 interior upgrades are a step in the right direction.
I love the dash in the Patriot. It's the most functional dash of any vehicle I've ever owned. I haven't had any of those other "well-known problems," and if you look at the the polls here, most other jeeppatriot.com members haven't had those problems either.

Including subjective assessment of design elements makes this survey completely worthless. It is supposed to be about reliability, not about reviewer biases.
 
It is supposed to be about reliability, not about reviewer biases.
Exactly.

"The IQS measures problems per 100 vehicles during the first 90 days of ownership in the areas of quality of design (i.e. poorly designed cupholders) and defects and malfunctions, and the entire auto industry deserves a pat on the back for improving its average in 2008 to 118 problems per 100 vehicles versus 125 PP100 in 2007."
 
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