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#41 ·
Lol holy **** blurry pictures and enough blow tortch pics to make a short video lol I'm just glad you finally did something to your Jeep besides mudding and air horns. Now you need a lift and tires
 
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Discussion starter · #42 ·
lift and tires is what comes next....besides straightening out that pipe and maybe painting it up. Sounds great, Creation, thanks for not being sarcastic and for actually seeing the positive here
 
#43 ·
I think you should do an exhaust video, just don't keep the camera behind the exhaust the entire time! Give a walk around, and maybe a drive by of the exhaust. I'm looking for exhausts, but don't want a ricer exhaust. Something noticeable, but a rumble. If my VTEC starts popping, we have a problem.

Also, wash your undercarriage! You don't want all that dirt/etc effecting it in the long run.
 
#44 ·
If you're really planning on racing your Patriot it's probably worth considering a real suspension upgrade like coil-overs and not Stu's or RRO.

Probably a bunch of spare suspension parts like TRE's & BJ's.

Thinking you're going to want way more aggressive tires than silent armors...
 
Discussion starter · #45 ·
Wellsir, if Rocky Road or Mopar can be convinced to sponsor, they might make a suspension lift(which we'll be trying to get custom-made anyway). I've done lots of research on Silentarmors, and they seem like the tire to use for the desert. Lots of tread, Kevlar, etc. http://www.moabjeeper.com/articles/general/listing.cfm?articleID=444
 
#46 ·
go contact fox, they may have a coil over that can fit in there with a couple inches of lift.

just a thought, IMO, you picked the wrong rig to race in the desert. Theres zero support for the patriot.
 
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might do a video, if I get a camera with sound, lol. It adds maybe 7hp and a rumble, but isn't meant for a 4wd(needs a straighter pipe). Might be the "wrong rig", but I like to do stuff a bit differently than most, and this might get support for the Patriot, maybe some good recognition and more parts available.
 
#48 ·
oh yeah...good on ya for trying it...

like i said, hit up the bigger guys like fox, king etc to see if they have some sort of coil over for ya. if not, get murch springs and monroe shocks...thats the only suspension upgrades you can get. I would go that route instead of RRO because you are going to be pushing your suspension and the stock springs will probably pooch out on ya
 
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#49 ·
Kenny-g said:
Lol holy **** blurry pictures and enough blow tortch pics to make a short video lol I'm just glad you finally did something to your Jeep besides mudding and air horns. Now you need a lift and tires
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LMAO about the torch pics. Looks like a fun evening!
-GD
 
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Discussion starter · #50 ·
I was hoping Rocky Road might make a good lift, if I asked 'em right, or maybe even Mopar, since they made it in the first place and have a legitimate interest in helping. I could check with Fox and the others too, though. We'll see how it works out. The guy with the torch in the pics actually works at a local parts shop, and has been getting me some good deals so far. If there's a part available, he can probably get it for me.
 
#51 ·
The only lifts for the Patriot are currently the RRO spacer lift or Stu's coils... neither one replaces the shocks or increases suspension travel.

Here's a thread where a guy installed coilovers to lower his patriot (just as a proof of concept)

And here's a thread where we talked about lifting a Patriot with coilovers. CEIKA performance said they would make them... If you're serious about running the Baja this would be the road to take me thinks.

Be the first one to do it! :smiley_thumbs_up:
 
Discussion starter · #52 ·
Oh, I plan on being the first alright. Took it back to the dragstrip in Ohio recently, heard folks were a little surprised and somewhat interested in the fact that a Patriot was there running with muscle cars, a Cummins Dodge, and a '06-'13 Impala. Just wanted to try out the quarter-mile time though, and got one second slower than bone-stock. Probly just because the engine isn't used to the new parts, but it could be any number of things. Hardly the fastest rig there(as usual), of course, but that should be changing over the next few years. If any of you guys wanna join the crew, you're welcome to do so. https://www.facebook.com/events/427989563932736/

 
#53 ·
Yeah, you got smoked pretty bad! How do you plan on bumping up your times? It's not like you can build the engine like sports cars, we can't even turbo the pat without slippings. If you could import the turbo diesel engine and upgrade the turbo, and up the boost the patriot could be pretty wicked.
 
#55 ·
Rocky road makes a great lift for off roading. NOT racing. totally different animals. you need increase damping and spring rates as you will be traveling at "speed" ha ha over rough conditions. your stock suspension system will not work, you will be breaking stuff left and right if you go flying (again use that term loosely with the patriot) through the desert.

Its just the wrong vehicle for racing off road, its not made for it, the aftermarket support is not there, and I doubt you will get to many companies interested as their work will not translate into income because not many people are looking to have a hopped up racing suspension under their patriot. its just the way it is. go find an older 4 runner or cherokee. there are tons of racing application suspensions available for both of those to get you much closer to your goal of competing in an off road race.

I think that you will have the same outcome a friend of mine had with a car he built for the targa NL here. used a civic, was the wrong tool for the job because he never had the proper parts for suspension and bracing. the car is in the scrap yard now. if you don't care about your patriot sure, but i have been around the block a time or 10. spent years tuning imports, now jeeps and trucks. just be prepared to have your patriot in the scrap yard after the race.
 
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it did about 17 sec. stock, 18 sec. in that video. I think it's because the system(and driver) need to learn to start quickly with the new mods, and while I know full well it's not off-road or endurance like the Baja, it is a good way to test acceleration. Just test and tune, not any official racing. As for it "not being the right vehicle", and "no aftermarket support", what better way to get that support? What better way to start a potential racing career, than to convince Mopar that there is a market for parts for the Patriot, and that the Baja would prove the durability of said parts, if they make it through the race and the vehicle still runs. You want to put a Cherokar or classic Cherokee through the Baja, go ahead. I'm taking my Patriot, and you ain't stopping me.
 
Discussion starter · #57 ·
Oh, and I'm keeping the engine too, I like what I've got. I would get a supercharger, but evidently SCORE says it has to stay naturally aspirated, which I don't mind, as that's one less thing to worry about. Some new injectors and such should help though, and Mopar should be able to think of plenty more, if they're interested in seeing what they built succeed.
 
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RossoRacer said:
it did about 17 sec. stock, 18 sec. in that video. I think it's because the system(and driver) need to learn to start quickly with the new mods, and while I know full well it's not off-road or endurance like the Baja, it is a good way to test acceleration. Just test and tune, not any official racing. As for it "not being the right vehicle", and "no aftermarket support", what better way to get that support? What better way to start a potential racing career, than to convince Mopar that there is a market for parts for the Patriot, and that the Baja would prove the durability of said parts, if they make it through the race and the vehicle still runs. You want to put a Cherokar or classic Cherokee through the Baja, go ahead. I'm taking my Patriot, and you ain't stopping me.
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ha ha ha....too funny, im not stopping you, im telling you to be prepared to have your pat towed from the desert and just tossed in the scrap pile.

been there done that. the patriot will never be a desert or off road racer. you will not get mopar to support it because its not even in the minds of 5 people who own one to even try. yes, off road products to make it more capable off road are great, racing products are not. racing a patriot will not further part developement for the patriot as those parts will never be bought by anyone but yourself. maybe some tuning options but then again, they dont need racing for that.

im close to 40, had my fair share of tuned vehicles that I built, not paid a shop to do, including a supercharged integra that could wipe the smile off many a v8 car owners face. I am speaking from experience not from the camp of " i think your nuts because its a patriot." I think the patriot will not survive racing across the desert. injectors won't do anything for your patriot, if your not creating any more power with higher compression pistons or forced induction, injectors will be the same as taking 400 bucks and lighting it on fire.

if you want more power, but you will have to enter another class, is to find a caliber SRT4 motor and drop in. you may beable to jerry rig that up to work...but again, its like pissing against the wind as your transmission and drivetrain will not handle it, and there are no aftermarket parts for that. See what im telling you.

do you plan to strip the interior and add bracing to the unibody? If not, be prepared to own a taco when your done. and I don't mean a tacoma..
 
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#59 ·
btw, i noticed your using the FD1, the trans will not survive the trashing either...
 
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Discussion starter · #60 ·
kojack, you've been on this forum for five years more than me, and have only ninety more posts. You come across this build thread and give feedback, which I appreciate, but the way you give it is to be only negative and shoot down my dream, which is completely dishonorable and unsportsmanlike. This only makes me want to take that integra you were bragging about, put it in a C-130, and drop it into the Mexican desert.....without a parachute. From the C-130's ceiling, which is probably at least 20,000 feet. If you're going to be negative, do it someplace else. Oh, and consider putting in your current ride, location, and maybe an avatar. Your posts look even wierder without them. SCORE requires a roll cage, which I plan to install alongside the frame, where it can't be easily seen, but will still provide plenty of protection. They also require an air horn, which is cool because I was planning on installing authentic train horns anyway. Less than five people might have the idea to race the Patriot, but more than fifteen thousand own Patriots and might be inspired to modify them somehow after seeing me race mine, or hearing that it was done. More people might be inspired to buy Patriots after seeing their true potential. As I already stated, the stock engine STAYS, and will be modified to compete. Am I likely to take overall first place? Hardly. There's multi-million dollar vehicles in that race. Do I have some semblance of a chance to win in class and possibly overall? Absolutely. Every vehicle in the race(there will be a couple hundred) is started 30 seconds apart. Dirtbikes come first, then ATVs, then the Class-9 bone-stock classic VW bugs, Class-3 like me, etc., and finally the big teams with the specially-built buggies and trophy trucks. I will race, I will succeed, and most will be impressed. You probly wouldn't be impressed even then, because I smell cynic in your posts. Cynics ignore success and concentrate on failure. This is not a good way to live. It is a way to fail yourself in life, and lose potential friends.
 
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