Comparison CVT2 and CVT2L in low and go 2500 RPM and tell me the MPH reading and tire size if not stock tires.
goebel1
Posted By Gramps
2500rpm = 13mph. CVT, FD I, AutoStick (Factory) in 1st gear, 29.1" tires. That's just an eyeball on the analog speedo. Correction for tire size is 13.39mph.
2500rpm = 13mph. CVT, FD I, AutoStick (Factory) in 1st gear, 29.1" tires. That's just an eyeball on the analog speedo. Correction for tire size is 13.39mph.
Here's a couple of friends reports back to me, I'm going to recheck mine. It doesn't sound right that my 1st is lower than your Low.
EDIT: Strange but true! Here's my speeds @ 2500rpm
1st = 13mph
2nd = 20
3rd = 28
4th = 35
5th = 47
6th = 68
Maybe I've got the FD II final drive in mine! :Racing:
It leads me to think that with just the L the variator is still varying while on the AutoStick it's locked in to the selected gear range.
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this is a 07 patriot 4x4 FD I CVT2.
in "L" its 22-23 MPH at 2500 RPM.
that's with the stock Goodyear Wrangler SR/A 215/65-17 tires.
NOTE: I was on a level stretch and just had enough peddle to keep speed at 2.5k RPM. with mild acceleration the tach went up right away to 3.5k or so before my speed changed. when I floored it I got up to about 60 MPH at 5.5k RPM in Low (and still pulling) but shifted to Drive at that point.
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Re-do just under 15 mph @ 2500rpm in "L", FD1, 29" tires 235/65/17
His speedo was not recaled, factory tires were 215/60-17, speedo too slow by 6.45%.
Actual: 13 - 14 mph
EDIT: Strange but true! Here's my speeds @ 2500rpm
1st = 13mph
2nd = 20
3rd = 28
4th = 35
5th = 47
6th = 68
Maybe I've got the FD II final drive in mine! :Racing:
It leads me to think that with just the L the variator is still varying while on the AutoStick it's locked in to the selected gear range.-----------------------------------------
this is a 07 patriot 4x4 FD I CVT2.
in "L" its 22-23 MPH at 2500 RPM.
that's with the stock Goodyear Wrangler SR/A 215/65-17 tires.
NOTE: I was on a level stretch and just had enough peddle to keep speed at 2.5k RPM. with mild acceleration the tach went up right away to 3.5k or so before my speed changed. when I floored it I got up to about 60 MPH at 5.5k RPM in Low (and still pulling) but shifted to Drive at that point.
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Re-do just under 15 mph @ 2500rpm in "L", FD1, 29" tires 235/65/17
His speedo was not recaled, factory tires were 215/60-17, speedo too slow by 6.45%.
Actual: 13 - 14 mph
I don't know how helpful this test is. Goebel1, I am assuming from the other thread your trying to figure out if the first gear in the auto stick you installed is the equivalent to the Low Range gearing you had in the old shifter. The quandary I ran into last night is I've noticed a distinct difference in RPMs from when I'm in just "L" then when I engage the FDII 4wheel drive.
I am going to see if I can post both results for you tonight, but I think knowing what 2500 RPMs with the FDII engaged and being in "L" may give you the most accurate results, since this is ultimately what your trying to get (autostick with the full capabilities of FDII)
It might also be helpful to see what an 07 FD1 gets when they are in L and the FD1 is engaged, samething with an 08 autostick in gear 1 and FD1 engaged
I am going to see if I can post both results for you tonight, but I think knowing what 2500 RPMs with the FDII engaged and being in "L" may give you the most accurate results, since this is ultimately what your trying to get (autostick with the full capabilities of FDII)
It might also be helpful to see what an 07 FD1 gets when they are in L and the FD1 is engaged, samething with an 08 autostick in gear 1 and FD1 engaged
Alright I got my results tonight, in just "L" at 2500 RPMs I was at 19-20MPH, then I ran the same test with the "L" "LOCKED" and at 2500 RPMs I could only get to 9-10MPH.
I repeated the results 3 times.
I have an 07 Patriot, with FDII, the rocky road lift, running the stock wheels (P215/65R17, Goodyear Wrangler SR-A)
I repeated the results 3 times.
I have an 07 Patriot, with FDII, the rocky road lift, running the stock wheels (P215/65R17, Goodyear Wrangler SR-A)
OFF-ROAD mode is activated the moment you lift the lock lever but only if your in "L"
if you lift the lock lever in "D" you just get a little 4wd
I also just reran the tests with the ESP in partial off and full off, received the exacts same speeds.
if you lift the lock lever in "D" you just get a little 4wd
I also just reran the tests with the ESP in partial off and full off, received the exacts same speeds.
yeah you can feel the increased idle speed, I noticed it when I was playing with it up against a concrete parking chock. The Patriot wanted to crawl up it at idle speed.
Some more friendly feedback “in Low I can get steady speeds from 15-23 MPH while at 2500 rpm, it depends on whether I’m going uphill or level and whether I was accelerating or decelerating to get that 2500 rpm. for instance off the line I can sit at exactly 2500 rpm the whole time and sort of creep up to 20 mph or so, so the CVT2 is definitely varying the ratio in Low.
So in Low it just seems to keep "pulling" with no noticeable shifting of ratios. It’s very smooth in Low."
So I’m speculating that one of the Variators is allowed to move with the Low gate but both Variators are locked with the AutoStick. It's just electrical signals that feed the CVT and tell it what to do so that's not really too hi-tech. I also get some very good engine braking when I'm in the manual mode.
EDIT It looks like on the CVT2L in Low and Locked (Off-Road mode) you have the equivalent of my 1st gear. Does the FD I CVT with Lock on also have a 1st gear or does it still vary? If so, then there is additional programming for the transmission when the Lock is activated on both. Many more features on the FD II but I'm trying to isolate the trans features and then go on to the FD II set up.
Gathering data takes time and VOLUNTEERS to offer their info.
So in Low it just seems to keep "pulling" with no noticeable shifting of ratios. It’s very smooth in Low."
So I’m speculating that one of the Variators is allowed to move with the Low gate but both Variators are locked with the AutoStick. It's just electrical signals that feed the CVT and tell it what to do so that's not really too hi-tech. I also get some very good engine braking when I'm in the manual mode.
EDIT It looks like on the CVT2L in Low and Locked (Off-Road mode) you have the equivalent of my 1st gear. Does the FD I CVT with Lock on also have a 1st gear or does it still vary? If so, then there is additional programming for the transmission when the Lock is activated on both. Many more features on the FD II but I'm trying to isolate the trans features and then go on to the FD II set up.
Gathering data takes time and VOLUNTEERS to offer their info.
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