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#41 ·
I havent had any problems in mine. Im up to about 900 miles after almost 3 weeks (this saturday will mark 3 weeks). I averaged 24.8 MPG the first tank, 26.2 the second, and 26.8 the third. This next tank wont be so good as i locked my keys in with the engine running and it took an hour or so to get someone to run to my place and get my spare key to unlock to door and turn off the engine.

Most of my driving is in town (lots of stop lights and signs) The town is 90,000 people. I am driving to Houston next week for the Texans/Bronco's game, so i will see how it does on the highway. I am currently contimplating changing my oil before I go (should be just over 1000 miles by then) and switching to Mobile 1 synthetic.
 
#43 ·
I have a 2007 Sport trail Rated with the FDII low gear. I'm lucky to get 20mpg with a mix of driving. The problem is the high final drive ratio. I have a rental this week (mine is in the body shop) with the FD1 and it is MUCH better on gas. I notice that RPM's are considerably lower at speed than on mine. It also seems peppier. The rental has over 10K miles on it, mine is still under 1k.

Bob
 
#44 ·
Meesh said:
I have a 2007 Sport trail Rated with the FDII low gear. I'm lucky to get 20mpg with a mix of driving. The problem is the high final drive ratio. I have a rental this week (mine is in the body shop) with the FD1 and it is MUCH better on gas. I notice that RPM's are considerably lower at speed than on mine. It also seems peppier. The rental has over 10K miles on it, mine is still under 1k.

Bob
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I have a newly acquired FDII as well. I test drove a FDI and noticed that the RPMs are lower in the FDI than they are in the FDII. I wanted the FDI, but I was not the one making the decisions and we ended up with the FDII. I know I'll never take it offroading, and so this model is complete overkill for me.

I wish there was a way to force the RPMs down, but I think I'm unfortunately stuck with that. I do my best when accelerating to not get above 2.5K RPMs and try to do my cruising on roads with speed limits of about 40 MPH and few lights. When I get into real city driving, however, the MPG's drop considerably. It'd be cool if this thing had a switch to choose between maximum torque vs best MPG's...then you could have the best of both worlds. But what I'm talking about is probably science fiction (I'm not a car expert, as much as I'd love to be one).

It's just something I'll have to get used to I suppose. The biggest issue is range on the FDII. It wouldn't be a big deal if the thing got 30 MPG's, but at 20-21 MPG's a 13.5 gallon tank is kinda pushing the limits of acceptable/safe range. It probably will never be a concern, but I do go to remote places for hiking (in Maine for instance) where there aren't gas stations for 50-100 miles...so there I do wish the tank was bigger/it got better gas mileage.
 
#46 ·
I have an 08 with FD1 and autostick 4x4. I average around town 22 MPG. If I can get on the highway and cruise in the 55-65 MPH range the mileage will creep up to 26+ MPG. A real killer for mileage is having to accelerate quickly. Also downshifting to go up steep hills affects the mileage. At the north end of my street it meets 50+ MPH traffic where folks come flying across and around a curve. There is no traffic light there so I have to step on it there to get quickly up to 50 MPH or risk getting nailed by someone flying around that curve. That really can bring down my mileage. The other problem is that the gas tank is small 13.5, gallons so your range is limited. Don't get me wrong, I am not unhappy with the Patriot, it has very good performance and handling and is a fun car to drive. I also am satisfied with the mileage it gets, you just need to work with the lil guy to get the best you can out of it.
 
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#47 ·
ive gotten nowhere past 305 miles when the feed me gas light goes on and thats with the Pat's 13 gallon tank ..My Dakota was starving for fuel after 200 miles with i believe a 16.9 gallon tank.. it may not be 30 MPG ..but its a pretty nice improvement for me.
 
#48 ·
I almost made it to 22 MPG on my first tankful of gas; figure it'll improve as it gets broken in, and as I adjust to the CVT.

Question though; how do I get the MPG readout on the dash to reset? I discovered you can't reset it without the key in the ignition turned to the "on" setting; last week when I filled it up I thought I simply held down on the button until the MPG blanked out...today when I tried to do so the readout would change to "----" but when I let to it reverted back to the previous reading. Am I incorrect in thinking I should be able to reset this to zero with each tankful?
 
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#49 ·
Ya know, i am getting sick of hearing about very bad mileage in big cities. It is a C V T...llllllllearnnnn to drive it properly...If you live in big cities like Toronto or Montreal, DAAAA...there is no way you are going to get more than 18 mpg because the way the roads in those cities operates. You have to go 0-100 in 5 seconds and constantly push your foot on the floor....example...Don Valley Parkway...Toronto..GEEZ.

For the people complaining about this, you should have done more research about the CVT transmission....and also the sales people. If i were a salesman in Montreal , there is NOOOOO place for ANY Patriot in Montreal...The way you have to drive around that town....i would say to the consumer...'Because floorring the gas constantly on the Patriot is only going to get you 15-18 mpg, you might as well go with the Liberty with the V6 engine. That engine will still only get 18 mpg, but it is made to run like that.

Dont get me wrong...i have a Patriot,,,i Love it...But..."IT IS WHAT IT IS" Just like those dumb golfers in the summer who think they are going to fit 4 sets of clubs in the back...The Patriot was NOT made for that.
 
#50 ·
nosirrahg said:
I almost made it to 22 MPG on my first tankful of gas; figure it'll improve as it gets broken in, and as I adjust to the CVT.

Question though; how do I get the MPG readout on the dash to reset? I discovered you can't reset it without the key in the ignition turned to the "on" setting; last week when I filled it up I thought I simply held down on the button until the MPG blanked out...today when I tried to do so the readout would change to "----" but when I let to it reverted back to the previous reading. Am I incorrect in thinking I should be able to reset this to zero with each tankful?
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The fuel consumption indicator provides a running average, and not a snapshot of your current MPG usage. When you press the button and see "----" that shows that it did reset. It will temporarily show the last average that was on hte display, but should change pretty quickly.

Try this....if your MPG is showing high, then reset it, and then drive in 4th gear at low RPMs and watch the MPG start going down. Should only take a minute or two to start seeing the change.
 
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michaelnbca - Thanks for the confirmation; I guess I'd reset it correctly, but in my previous car when you did so it went back to 0.0, and then would increase from there. As long as I know when it goes to "----" that it has reset, that helps.

On my initial tank I averaged (figured manually) just under 22 MPG, but the dash readout was reading closer to 23. I know my previous car was typically optimistic in it's MPG reading versus reality, so eventually I'll have to figure out how much of a grain of salt I'll have to use with it; but at least it gives me a relative. At least thus far on my current tank I'm averaging closer to 25, so if in reality that's 24 I'll be happy!
 
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LicenseToDrive said:
Ya know, i am getting sick of hearing about very bad mileage in big cities. It is a C V T...llllllllearnnnn to drive it properly...If you live in big cities like Toronto or Montreal, DAAAA...there is no way you are going to get more than 18 mpg because the way the roads in those cities operates. You have to go 0-100 in 5 seconds and constantly push your foot on the floor....example...Don Valley Parkway...Toronto..GEEZ.

For the people complaining about this, you should have done more research about the CVT transmission....and also the sales people. If i were a salesman in Montreal , there is NOOOOO place for ANY Patriot in Montreal...The way you have to drive around that town....i would say to the consumer...'Because floorring the gas constantly on the Patriot is only going to get you 15-18 mpg, you might as well go with the Liberty with the V6 engine. That engine will still only get 18 mpg, but it is made to run like that.

Dont get me wrong...i have a Patriot,,,i Love it...But..."IT IS WHAT IT IS" Just like those dumb golfers in the summer who think they are going to fit 4 sets of clubs in the back...The Patriot was NOT made for that.
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Well, I think you refer to me when speaking about Montreal... if you would have read correctly I have the 5 speed, not the CVT. And I have driven stick shift in big cities all my life and still feel that the 10-14mpg that I got on my first three tanks are way too much, engine break-in or not! I did some highway driving this week-end and managed to reach 18mpg. I had planned to take the Patriot to the dealer this week, but I'll wait a bit more to see if I can improve mpgs a bit more in the next weeks. For the kind of city driving that I do 20-22mpg should be possible without problem and not unrealistic!
 
#57 · (Edited)
I've noticed a big hit this winter. Was up in the 28-29 range from August-October, and now haven't had a 26+ tank in two months.

Couple things -

Temps in the 20's and 30's mean longer to reach peak operating efficiency
Roads are constantly wet (it's rained the past 33 days)
Storm winds can kill MPG on the freeway
Tire pressure lower for better traction in snow (running 35psi now as opposed to 50-55 in the summer)
Shorter trips in general - in the summer, I make a lot of 30-60 mile drives to go up into the woods... now it's mostly 2-5 mile stuff around town.
 
#58 ·
ohotos said:
Hi all,

I know its very soon, after two weeks with my Patriot North 4x4 FD1 5spd I have driven about 500kms/310mi but I already had to fill up for the second time.
I have read other threads and am sure that mileage will improve after breaking in the engine, but mine is so bad right now that I am really worried.
I understand as well that the average mpg reading on the EVIC is not 100% correct, but it is surely an indicator...
So, for the first tank of gas the EVIC read around 13l/100 or 18mpg, from then it went only upwards and after filling up for the second time I found out how to reset the average mpg count and since then it has gone up to 15-17l/100km or around 16-14mpg!
Now it is true that I drive 100% city for the moment and it's mostly short trips under 10km / 6mi, temperature here is around freezing so the engine doesn't really get warm which is certainly a factor.
I have driven manuals all my life and am not very heavy on the accelerator or anything like that... and still I see the tank needle going down fast every time I drive...
I expected 11-12l/100km (20-21mpg) in bad conditions, but this?
Do you think this is normal and I'll see a significant improvement in mileage soon?
Please help!
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i'm getting great milage,about 10 litres per 100km in city with standard gearing and 2.4 litr engine
 
#59 ·
mitakuuluu said:
I've noticed a big hit this winter.


Tire pressure lower for better traction in snow (running 35psi now as opposed to 50-55 in the summer)
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You are not the only one, my mileage has decrease by 40 miles, basically 2 gallons lost (~20mpg)

What should be the psi under normal operation?
 
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