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#41 ·
i am comparing the fd1 to my xterra 4x4 in 4hi.

xterra has some more clearance, better and bigger tires and alot more hp and torque. But it also weighs alot more.

with that said, i can go many places in the X in 4hi no problems. 4lo is used to descend a steep grade i go up in 4hi only to prevent excessive speed and save the brakes.

for my purposes, I "think" the fd1 will suit me just fine. i do have the 5spd though so clutch slippage may be an issue going up a steep gravel road i climb sometimes. I believe the patriot 4x4 fd1 now has 9 inches of clearance like the fdii 4x4. I read that on allpar. That's good clearance. The X has 9.6 inches and wher ei take it i am not even close to bottoming out.

only driving it how i drive the X will tell one way or the other.

I will update you all once I go back out to the mountains.
 
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#42 ·
silverflash said:
i am comparing the fd1 to my xterra 4x4 in 4hi.

xterra has some more clearance, better and bigger tires and alot more hp and torque. But it also weighs alot more.

with that said, i can go many places in the X in 4hi no problems. 4lo is used to descend a steep grade i go up in 4hi only to prevent excessive speed and save the brakes.

for my purposes, I "think" the fd1 will suit me just fine. i do have the 5spd though so clutch slippage may be an issue going up a steep gravel road i climb sometimes. I believe the patriot 4x4 fd1 now has 9 inches of clearance like the fdii 4x4. I read that on allpar. That's good clearance. The X has 9.6 inches and wher ei take it i am not even close to bottoming out.

only driving it how i drive the X will tell one way or the other.

I will update you all once I go back out to the mountains.
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Do you have the 16" rims or the 17" rims? If you have the 17", then yes, you get the same ride hight as a FDII with a post 2010 patriot 4x4, if you have the 16" rims you are down a half inch, but that can be fixed with better tires, which is something you should invest in anyways.
 
#44 ·
aroundincircles said:
Do you have the 16" rims or the 17" rims? If you have the 17", then yes, you get the same ride hight as a FDII with a post 2010 patriot 4x4, if you have the 16" rims you are down a half inch, but that can be fixed with better tires, which is something you should invest in anyways.
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i have the upgraded wheels and tires, 17".

:)

:pepper:
 
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#45 ·
so i had an experience last night with my local dealer. i had dropped jeep off to get some things done to it- part of the new car deal.

anyhow, i was talking with the service writer and a mechanic and basically they were saying that if you drive out on the beach, you will void your warranty.

now they didn't come out and say that, but they said that the patriot is not made to run on the beach and that they had one guy who burned out his clutch with under 1000 miles. I am assuming he was talking about the fd1.

The sw (service writer) said that clutches are never covered but they good willed it as he was at only 1000 miles.

Now, unless you are doing burnouts i can't see how a clutch can go at 1000 miles. Driving on the sand shouldn't cause problems UNLESS you are constantly slipping the clutch to maintain forward motion.

i did look it up and i have 12 months or 12,000 miles on the clutch so i am good there.

they were just trying to scare me into thinking that even one tire touching a grain of sand will void the warranty. obviously, they do not know who they are dealing with and they don't realize i am divorced therefore I have access to many good attorneys.

:)

it's a jeep. with 4x4 HI and just no low. it has good ground clearance, 9 inches.

the only unknown for me is driving a stick on the beach. i am pretty sure based on my observations, i can run in 1st gear in the deep stuff without touching the clutch. i go about 10mph on the beach in my other 4x4 vehicle, that has 4lo but i never use it at the beach, that has an automatic... assuming same speed here.

thoughts?
 
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#46 ·
Air down. Get a good tire deflator and air compressor. This is what I use:
http://autoplicity.com/products/267...T&adtype=pla&kw=&utm_term=&adpos=1o2&network=g&gclid=CNibpaL06rUCFexaMgodc1QAmQ

https://www.google.com/shopping/pro...r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&biw=1342&bih=598&sa=X&ei=r7A4UavgE8jbqQHUoYCwCw&ved=0CFMQ8wIwAA

[ame]http://www.amazon.com/Victor-Low-Pressure-Tire-Gauge/dp/B000Q7HS8Y[/ame]

If you are on stock tires, I wouldn't air down below 20PSI, on my 30" tires, I air down to about 15psi, as it has a pretty stiff sidewall.
 
#47 ·
ok thanks.


i drove my xterra on cape lookout nc last year, 16 miles in each direction through soft sand in the dunes and along the ocean. never missed a beat. was at 17psi and i have large aggresive duratracs.

i don't plan on taking the patriot out there UNLESS it gives me lots of confidence when i try carolina beach and ft fisher.

this is my 1st 5spd 4x4 so i don't know what to expect as far as sand driving etc........with an auto/cvt i am assuming it would run great- saw lots of posts for cvts but none on 5spds....
 
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#48 ·
I spent the first 40 years of my life living at Carolina and Kure Beach, and I must just not have the 4X4 bug very bad, because I never really got into driving on the beach, preferring to walk. Many times I walked from Kure Pier (where I worked as a teenager) south until I absolutely ran out of land to walk on.

I did see many an idiot get his rig stuck below the high tide line and begin to panic....
 
#49 ·
yes, until you become comfortable driving your vehicle on the beach, best to take it easy and make sure people are around before pushing it further!

wooden dog, you don't know what you are missing.

:)
 
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#50 ·
Sorry to jump in on this thread, but i live in the good old united kingdom.

Is mine based on the fd1 or fd2? All i know is that it has 4 wheel drive lock
 
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#52 ·
silverflash said:
yes, until you become comfortable driving your vehicle on the beach, best to take it easy and make sure people are around before pushing it further!

wooden dog, you don't know what you are missing.

:)
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Actually, having grown up on those beaches, and knowing what they've become like these days, I know exactly what I'm missing.
For me, at least, walking is a better way to enjoy the beach than driving on it.
But everybody's different.
 
#53 ·
Wooden Dog said:
Actually, having grown up on those beaches, and knowing what they've become like these days, I know exactly what I'm missing.
For me, at least, walking is a better way to enjoy the beach than driving on it.
But everybody's different.
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there are times for both,
i fish nights on the beach,
and like to have my pat nearby for the gear and to warm up.
there are some days where i do hit the beach by foot,
both are good times.
 
#54 ·
Yesterday I had some fun with our FD1 5 speed MT in the snow. I very easily climbed the bank behind our alley where the new snow was at least 12" deep. Lots of folks were having trouble on our street with their minivans etc. The only problem I ever encounter with deep snow is getting high centered where the Patriot is resting on the plastic skid plate. The FD1 is awesome in snow.
 
#55 ·
Terasec said:
there are times for both,
i fish nights on the beach,
and like to have my pat nearby for the gear and to warm up.
there are some days where i do hit the beach by foot,
both are good times.
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i used to frequent the cape hatteras national seashore recreational area until the feds started closing down the popular beaches to vehicles and then foot traffic. ALL of the good parts of that seashore are now closed not only to vehicles but pedestrians. For no good reason. Thankfully my two local congress people are introducing a bill to nullify a bogus consent decree entered into by both parties in 2007. If it passes, i will go back, me along with my tourism dollars.

with that said, there is still a place with beautiful beaches that has tons of 4x4 access local to me that i can experience what has been stolen from CHNSRA visitors. Cape Lookout. There is not 1 paved road on the island chain that is 60 miles long. You pay around $100 for the ferry trip over for you and your 4x4 vehicle.

I drove my xterra over there last year and had a blast. Was able to find a nice quiet place on the beach with not another soul in sight! When I am on vacation, I avoid people and really don't like crowds.

So the 4x4 driving plays a role in my sanity!

I have not decided oif the patriot will go out there or not. Probably not, but i will know for sure once i hit the local beaches to test things out.

I do know that carolina beach is icky with all the crowds etc on it. Ft fisher is nicer but still isn't the same as the obx.....
 
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#56 ·
aroundincircles said:
You don't get hill decent control, BLD is a part of the traction control, and all patriots have traction control. and you don't get the low range. Those are big differences.

(Edit: I did some internet searches. I can't find anywhere that says the FDI has BLD, but I do see it everywhere for FDII, I don't believe it gets BLD. On the FDII models its not even engaged until you are in L, which is only available on the FDII)
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Jeep says it has BLD...idk they have 2 different videos i've found on their website
 
#58 ·
Maybe Gramps or someone else can confirm this but I think even the cvt itself is the same but the differentials have a lower ratio which makes the fd2 slightly less efficient on fuel but gives it the 19:1 "crawl" ratio when in offroad mode. (Does this mean only part of the cvt's range is used in regular "D" mode and shifting into L allows the cvt the last low part in it's range?)
 
#59 ·
rcguymike said:
Does this mean only part of the cvt's range is used in regular "D" mode and shifting into L allows the cvt the last low part in it's range?
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This is exactly right. If the CVT were a 4 speed automatic, the FDII with it's differentials would make "2nd Gear" similar to FDI's "1st gear". FDII's top gear would be equivalent to FDI's "3rd gear". Shifting into FDII's low and offroad mode will unlock the "1st gear"
 
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silverflash said:
i used to frequent the cape hatteras national seashore recreational area until the feds started closing down the popular beaches to vehicles and then foot traffic. ALL of the good parts of that seashore are now closed not only to vehicles but pedestrians. For no good reason. Thankfully my two local congress people are introducing a bill to nullify a bogus consent decree entered into by both parties in 2007. If it passes, i will go back, me along with my tourism dollars.

with that said, there is still a place with beautiful beaches that has tons of 4x4 access local to me that i can experience what has been stolen from CHNSRA visitors. Cape Lookout. There is not 1 paved road on the island chain that is 60 miles long. You pay around $100 for the ferry trip over for you and your 4x4 vehicle.

I drove my xterra over there last year and had a blast. Was able to find a nice quiet place on the beach with not another soul in sight! When I am on vacation, I avoid people and really don't like crowds.

So the 4x4 driving plays a role in my sanity!

I have not decided oif the patriot will go out there or not. Probably not, but i will know for sure once i hit the local beaches to test things out.

I do know that carolina beach is icky with all the crowds etc on it. Ft fisher is nicer but still isn't the same as the obx.....
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Actually there is a good reason for restricting vehicle and even foot traffic. as usually happens, a few dumbasses ruin things for the rest of us. Hatteras is a barrier island, and it's not only highly susceptible to erosion, as barrier islands are, it's also a fragile ecosystem. Careless, self-absorbed people run over and destroy dunes, bird and turtle nesting areas, etc. If people knew how to act like they cared about things, there wouldn't be any need for restrictions. I think most people are careful about where and how they drive their 4X4's, but there are enough idiots who aren't to cause enough damage to get people provoked to start making noise about it, usually resulting in restrictions and regulations. It's possible, and not even difficult, to enjoy driving on the beach, or offroad anywhere, and manage not to damage it. Unfortunately, not everybody sees it that way.

And of course...the fees for driving ...
Once a government or group start collecting money, it's almost impossible to get their hands outta your pocket.
 
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