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Thanks guys. jgg204, dixiedawg, and others.......I still believe that the Patriot should be less than the CRV and Forester. I will investigate more. Maybe my agent didn't follow my specifications.

Other FYI:

-After my wife suffered life long injuries from being hit by a non insured, non licensed driver, I HIGHLY urge people to have non-insured coverage on their policy.....at least a half million.

- Researching these vehicles, the new Forester FB engine is getting lots of complaints about high oil consumption on their forums. Not sure if it is "internet amplification".
the non-insured coverage is for your vehicle if the other person doesn't have insurance. it makes no sense to have $500,000 in coverage as you only drive a $25,000 vehicle. your insurance company will also sue the uninsured driver for the money to cover the expenses of fixing your car

there is something separate for supplemental salary payments if you get injured and become medically disabled. that's what i have. i pay ~$32 extra each year and if i get injured in a car accident and can't work, state farm will pay me up to $40,000 each year
 
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the non-insured coverage is for your vehicle if the other person doesn't have insurance. it makes no sense to have $500,000 in coverage as you only drive a $25,000 vehicle. your insurance company will also sue the uninsured driver for the money to cover the expenses of fixing your car

there is something separate for supplemental salary payments if you get injured and become medically disabled. that's what i have. i pay ~$32 extra each year and if i get injured in a car accident and can't work, state farm will pay me up to $40,000 each year
Sorry to drift off topic here.

We have no fault insurance in Michigan. Uninsured motorist insurance helps recover personal injury needs, loss of work/wages/ability to work, assist with future medical care needs, etc..

In our case, the uninsured driver had no money. He had no insurance company to go after. Our insurance company gets stuck with the mess, then they want to drop you after its done.

Thanks all for the input.
 
Sorry to drift off topic here.

We have no fault insurance in Michigan. Uninsured motorist insurance helps recover personal injury needs, loss of work/wages/ability to work, assist with future medical care needs, etc..

In our case, the uninsured driver had no money. He had no insurance company to go after. Our insurance company gets stuck with the mess, then they want to drop you after its done.

Thanks all for the input.

gotta love these "no fault" states where insurance companies lobbied state governments to implement such a ridiculous law. in exchange for the law, insurance companies "promised" to lower premiums.

were they ever lowered? nope, in fact they have only increased ever since. same goes for malpractice insurance for doctors - certain states have caps, having been successfully lobbied by insurance companies. for the states that have this so called "tort reform", it didn't even make a dent on insurance rates. it simply boosted profits of the insurance companies who then passed nothing to policy holders.

at least with the health care bill, they are forcing insurance companies to actually provide the service they are charging for
 
My insurance went up a whopping $20 for a six-year term before my employee discount. That was coming from a 2004 Impala to my 2011 Patriot.

You would undoubtedly get more accurate information if you went to a local dealership and grabbed a VIN off of a vehicle with the specifications you want (or close to it). Case in point: when I first put the Patriot on my policy, I put in the wrong VIN. The system quoted me at a $40 increase over my Impala. Once I put the correct VIN in the system, my rates increased only $20 over my Impala. So it's not just year and model, there are a lot of different things that are taken into account.

Also to consider, if you're getting quotes from companies you currently aren't insured with -- if you get a totally new quote from a totally new company, they will quote you a little bit more than your current carrier would. A hefty majority of companies give a long-term customer discount.

Another reason the Patriot might be more expensive than, say, a Honda CRV, is that the Patriot carries a lower theft risk. Because, really, who would steal an ugly soccer mom vehicle like a CRV?

gotta love these "no fault" states where insurance companies lobbied state governments to implement such a ridiculous law. in exchange for the law, insurance companies "promised" to lower premiums.

were they ever lowered? nope, in fact they have only increased ever since. same goes for malpractice insurance for doctors - certain states have caps, having been successfully lobbied by insurance companies. for the states that have this so called "tort reform", it didn't even make a dent on insurance rates. it simply boosted profits of the insurance companies who then passed nothing to policy holders.
Insurance costs are increasing in every state for every line of business. In no-fault states you can blame the citizens that abuse the system fraudulently. Insurance companies aren't lining their pockets with cash. About $80 billion is paid out on fraudulent property and casualty (auto) claims in the US each year, and it costs the insurance companies even more to investigate and stop potential frauds. It ain't easy.

For every law on the books that you think unfairly favors insurance companies, I can guarantee you there is another law on the books that keeps insurance companies in check, and in some cases, hinder their growth.
 
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Another reason the Patriot might be more expensive than, say, a Honda CRV, is that the Patriot carries a lower theft risk. Because, really, who would steal an ugly soccer mom vehicle like a CRV?
Thank you kds. I talked to my agent yesterday and indeed, she did say that VIN numbers would allow her to get more accurate estimates.

Going off topic again, with the risk of insulting you guys as a prospective Patriot newbie here (I LOVE Pats), your quote above amused me.

As much as I have lurked here to gain Patriot insight, you guys seem to have unconditional love for your Pats. I would imagine that the masses/sheeple have embraced the "cockroach appearance" that the SUV fashion show designers have pushed on us, making the lowly Patriot the ugly child that no one wants to steal.

Moreover, most here seem to love their Pats regardless of Chrysler's neglect to address the problems with the sun roofs, front suspension, and questionable drive train (new 6 sp. tranny coming?).

Thanks for all the insurance help. I am going to pursue this more, as I am really trying to convince myself to buy a Pat in the coming months.
 
Insurance costs are increasing in every state for every line of business. In no-fault states you can blame the citizens that abuse the system fraudulently. Insurance companies aren't lining their pockets with cash. About $80 billion is paid out on fraudulent property and casualty (auto) claims in the US each year, and it costs the insurance companies even more to investigate and stop potential frauds. It ain't easy.

For every law on the books that you think unfairly favors insurance companies, I can guarantee you there is another law on the books that keeps insurance companies in check, and in some cases, hinder their growth.
i have no pity for insurance companies when laws are passed that REQUIRE that you purchase insurance when you own certain items (house, auto, boat, and soon to be health insurance etc). you can't get a better business model than that. having to investigate fraud comes with the business. they lobbied for the mandate, and now everyone will be a customer. everyone includes the cheats, crooks, and frauds

my point was that no-fault and limited tort was advertised by state governments to SAVE consumers money. how else would they have passed the referendum from the people if they were told the truth that "hey there, we are passing a law that prevents you from suing someone for an amount that should be decided by a judge and a jury...instead we are capping it and in some cases requiring 3rd party arbitration". they were promised lower premiums and we never got them.

these insurance "risk categories" that i mentioned up above are a one way street. as mentioned, i drive a vehicle that's in the 3rd highest risk category right now - some beater civic i've been driving since my high school days. no accidents on record, no tickets, no nothing. yeah i get some "accident free" discount which is mostly just a BS discount that props up the regular price of the policy. i am still paying for a 3rd highest risk vehicle, combined with being slapped with an extra amount for it being a coupe, and then being a 27 yr old male - my age and sex supposedly carries extra risk as well. i would think after ~12 years of proving that i am not a risky person, i don't put my vehicle in risky situations, and having 2-doors instead of 4-doors doesn't mean i drive faster and run red lights...that i should get a legitimate discount, not a BS one like a car dealership gives you to make it seem like you are saving money off the MSRP. i have nothing against agents, one of my best friend is an agent. they are there to do nothing except help you and make sure you are covered. they do make a commission, but it's peanuts on an individual basis. it's the industry they work for...

i am thankful that i live in a state (Pennsylvania) that stands its ground on most issues, whether they be this crap discuss above, gun laws, you name it


changing subjects...i was out to Iowa not too long ago for a business trip. Burlington was the town. i like your state as well, nice and open and free.
 
My JKU is cheaper than our patriot by about $75 / 6 months. Still haven't figured out why.
 
When we were looking at trading my wife's 2010 Toyota Matrix to a 2011 Jeep Patriot, I told my wife to contact the insurance company for a quote. I told her the cost of insuring the Patriot would probably be a deal breaker (going from a "car" to a SUV). To our surprise the Patriot actually lowered our insurance premiums! Guess it is cheaper to fix a Jeep than a Toyota. Also from what I read on this forum, the Patriot is like a brick wall in an accident...maybe that has something to do with lower insurance rates!
 
I called before I bought my patriot and asked what the rates were. My Uncle is my insurance guy, he told me that the New upper level Patriots did get expensive insurance wise, he wasnt sure why. He advised me to get a sport.

My GUESS is that it has to do with the value of the vehicle, and that it is a jeep with 4x4. 25 + thousand dollars worth of new car on the off road trail, picking up "pinstripes", fording rivers, and blasting through snow drifts makes the adjusters nervous.
 
My GUESS is that it has to do with the value of the vehicle, and that it is a jeep with 4x4. 25 + thousand dollars worth of new car on the off road trail, picking up "pinstripes", fording rivers, and blasting through snow drifts makes the adjusters nervous.
Many, if not most, insurance companies have exclusions written into their policies stating they will not cover losses that occur off-road for that reason. In reality, every vehicle (even something like a compact sedan) carries a risk of being damaged off-road as far as an underwriter is concerned, and it's not specific to 4x4 Jeeps.
 
Many, if not most, insurance companies have exclusions written into their policies stating they will not cover losses that occur off-road for that reason. In reality, every vehicle (even something like a compact sedan) carries a risk of being damaged off-road as far as an underwriter is concerned, and it's not specific to 4x4 Jeeps.
Can you buy specific riders for off road?

Here we have various insurance companies that offer ATV, 4x4 and dirt bike packages in various flavours for the off road folks.

That is part of what makes my insurance so pricey...I'm on private industrial and logging roads for approx 1/3 of my miles driven.
Normally I'd be around $800 for all perils, collision, comp, glass, under insured.
Because of the daily off road miles (and the zone I travel into...higher rated area of the Island) I'm at $1,700...but they replace my glass, come and get me if needed, fix what breaks.

I go through maybe 3 windshields a year. I actually pay $85 for two years of no deductible on my glass. Worth it, eh? In my case anyway. My Patriot is 12 months old and I just last week pranged my second windshield on it.
 
My insurance went down considerably when I purchased my Patriot. Full coverage on the Jeep was less than my wife's 06 Subaru and somehow less than my 2001 Sonoma. Yes you read that correctly. My insurance went down, by quite a bit. I would suggest you shop around for better rates.
 
Can you buy specific riders for off road?

Here we have various insurance companies that offer ATV, 4x4 and dirt bike packages in various flavours for the off road folks.

That is part of what makes my insurance so pricey...I'm on private industrial and logging roads for approx 1/3 of my miles driven.
Normally I'd be around $800 for all perils, collision, comp, glass, under insured.
Because of the daily off road miles (and the zone I travel into...higher rated area of the Island) I'm at $1,700...but they replace my glass, come and get me if needed, fix what breaks.

I go through maybe 3 windshields a year. I actually pay $85 for two years of no deductible on my glass. Worth it, eh? In my case anyway. My Patriot is 12 months old and I just last week pranged my second windshield on it.
Some companies do offer endorsements that will cover off-road losses, but they are certainly pricey. I also have a glass breakage endorsement that waives the deductible... it costs about $2 per month. I broke a lot of windshields in my Impala... but I have yet to break the windshield of my Patriot. I also carry roadside assistance, which includes towing up to 100 miles, lockout, fuel delivery, etc.
 
Yea, I travel a lot of gravel and follow loaded logging trucks too.

At slow speeds the dual tires pick up small rocks between the two tires and then, as speed increases, the tires move out and up which opens the space between the tires and they send the rock out at high velocity. Most hit the flaps or the underbody/wheel well area of the truck but the ones that escape...

Sucks to be right behind them when they decide to do that...scary too, I've heard of them coming right through and entering the passenger compartment...so far for me just shattered windshields.
 
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