I saw a grand Cherokee today that had the rubicon on both sides. No trail rated badge but still had the decal. Did they make these at one point?
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Grand Cherokee rubicon?
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No, there wasn't. Somebody just put the Rubicon decal on it.
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Some of those liberties are seriously built rigs. I would guess that excluding the wranglers the kj and zj are the most heavily modified jeeps I see. Seeing more kk lifts and such now, but nothing like the kj.
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Is there more than one Liberty body style?
reason I ask is I've always disliked the proportions of the vehicle...something seems off to me but I saw one the other day and it looked different than the others I've noticed.
better, more balanced.
So, I guess they did a significant body style makeover at one point and I like the older ones or what?
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Yes, there are two body styles. KJ was up to '06 and KK came in '07.
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I'm on my phone otherwise I'd post pics..... the kj looks like a barbie jeep, but near the end they gave it a renegade package that included offroad lights and such which made it look tougher. The kk is very boxy and has an option for a cloth roof that can be fully opened, almost like a convertible. KK production ended like 2 weeks ago.
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I looked at the Liberty first, as a replacement for my Tracker (which had over 100K miles on it then, and now over 200K) but the MPG was only like 17, from folks I talked to that had them. For 17 MPG I can drive a full size pick up with a V8, so it just didn;t make sense for me.
A friend of mine here has one with the renegade package, it's a sweet looking ride.
A friend of mine here has one with the renegade package, it's a sweet looking ride.
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I wish this was an option on the Pat.
I can't hate on the GC owner for the decals, since I have the only SAHARA Patriot
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Actually excluding wranglers there's XJ's, ZJ's, and WJ's that out perform the KJ offroad.
My heavy offroad rig is a WJ, and it can run circles around my TJ let alone a KJ
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oh man I didn't mean to start a debate here about what is the best trail rig. I simply meant that in my drivings arounds these days I see more built KJs and ZJs than I do other Jeeps besides Wranglers. I know it wasn't very clear in my original post, and I apologize for that.
This guy in the springs is a good example of the things you can see commuting out here.
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he is, of course, an extreme example.
I'm going to ignore the ZJs because I think we're both in agreement that you still see a large number of heavily modified ZJs driving around. Is the KJ better off road than say an XJ? The XJ has more aftermarket support and is basically infinitely upgradeable, but they're all getting dated and I suspect are becoming either serious trail rigs or have met the crusher. The KJ you're going to be limited to somewhere around 3 inches of lift and probably 32s before you need to do a solid front axle. At which point you're into it for a lot of $$$. So true trail rig, I give the nod to the XJ. Given the choice though, and it's a bit of a internal debate for me, I would probably look for a 2006 diesel KJ rather than an XJ. While the wheelbase of the KJ is a bit long, I think I would be happy with 32s on it for the trails I do. There's something that I like about the look of a built KJ. The smother ride from the independent front, as well as the control of a rack and pinion system I think makes it a good vehicle for commuting during the week and wheeling on the weekends. My random stab at a mpg for a lifted KJ diesel would be around 19 mpg. I think it is a good compromise vehicle if you're willing to modify it (including cutting the fenders some). I think a large number of people have come to that same conclusion judging by the number of lifted KJs I see.
This guy in the springs is a good example of the things you can see commuting out here.
he is, of course, an extreme example.
I'm going to ignore the ZJs because I think we're both in agreement that you still see a large number of heavily modified ZJs driving around. Is the KJ better off road than say an XJ? The XJ has more aftermarket support and is basically infinitely upgradeable, but they're all getting dated and I suspect are becoming either serious trail rigs or have met the crusher. The KJ you're going to be limited to somewhere around 3 inches of lift and probably 32s before you need to do a solid front axle. At which point you're into it for a lot of $$$. So true trail rig, I give the nod to the XJ. Given the choice though, and it's a bit of a internal debate for me, I would probably look for a 2006 diesel KJ rather than an XJ. While the wheelbase of the KJ is a bit long, I think I would be happy with 32s on it for the trails I do. There's something that I like about the look of a built KJ. The smother ride from the independent front, as well as the control of a rack and pinion system I think makes it a good vehicle for commuting during the week and wheeling on the weekends. My random stab at a mpg for a lifted KJ diesel would be around 19 mpg. I think it is a good compromise vehicle if you're willing to modify it (including cutting the fenders some). I think a large number of people have come to that same conclusion judging by the number of lifted KJs I see.
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Here's the KJ, note the overall barbie-ness of it.
A KJ Renegade. Still not great, but they put some testosterone in it.
A KK with the sky slider top
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