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#3 ·
Might be good now

Although I've read contradicting opinions on this, it seems like some folks think doing an early oil change with a new car helps due to break-in. I waited until 4500 miles and changed mine, came out blacker 'n hell. Used Castrol Syntec Blend with a Fram filter (don't shoot me for the Fram, all I could find at the time). Next time I'll probably use a Mopar if I can't find a K & N. Used the K & N on my prior car, a Disco II. Heck the repair costs on the Disco II almost were equivalent to the whole cost of the !@#$!@# Patriot. Don't understand why the Brits can design a car that can go Billy-Goat up a mountain but then cost $7k to fix!

Anyway hope that helps, I do recall the change being incredibly simple.

Take care & enjoy the ride
Walter
 
#4 ·
You better read up on your warranty requirements.I swear...these guys are like insurance companies, and will look for the smallest loophole in order to try to squirm out of any repairs normally covered by the warranty, if they can determine you didn't follow the maintenance schedule.

My Canadian Patriot...1st one is due @ 5000 kms. I'll get this one done at the dealership, determine how much it is, and ask the synthetic question at the same time.
 
#5 ·
wvcox1 said:
Although I've read contradicting opinions on this, it seems like some folks think doing an early oil change with a new car helps due to break-in. I waited until 4500 miles and changed mine, came out blacker 'n hell. Used Castrol Syntec Blend with a Fram filter (don't shoot me for the Fram, all I could find at the time). Next time I'll probably use a Mopar if I can't find a K & N. Used the K & N on my prior car, a Disco II. Heck the repair costs on the Disco II almost were equivalent to the whole cost of the !@#$!@# Patriot. Don't understand why the Brits can design a car that can go Billy-Goat up a mountain but then cost $7k to fix!

Anyway hope that helps, I do recall the change being incredibly simple.

Take care & enjoy the ride
Walter
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We had a disco II se7 also! Gave it away for the Patriot!! The Disco did cost a lot of $$$$$$$ to fix. It had to go!
 
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jettore said:
I did the first change at 1400 and went to a full synthetic. First change anywhere around 1000 miles is fine and you can go to synthetic at that time.
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we have a "know it all" here at work who swears to "break in" a vehicle, you should drive it like you stole it. He also says to never use synthetic until after 15000 miles. ( then again this is a guy who changes his oli once a year or 15000 miles because mobile 1 says it will last 25000).

I drive pretty conservatively and havent gone over 72 (local speed limit is 70)
 
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wvcox1 said:
Although I've read contradicting opinions on this, it seems like some folks think doing an early oil change with a new car helps due to break-in. I waited until 4500 miles and changed mine, came out blacker 'n hell. Used Castrol Syntec Blend with a Fram filter (don't shoot me for the Fram, all I could find at the time). Next time I'll probably use a Mopar if I can't find a K & N. Used the K & N on my prior car, a Disco II. Heck the repair costs on the Disco II almost were equivalent to the whole cost of the !@#$!@# Patriot. Don't understand why the Brits can design a car that can go Billy-Goat up a mountain but then cost $7k to fix!

Anyway hope that helps, I do recall the change being incredibly simple.

Take care & enjoy the ride
Walter
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Im thinking Mobile 1 sythetic, would prefer valvoline, but couldnt find 5 quarts in 5W20. I ordered a Wix filter part number 57073 (they didnt have any on hand so i special ordered them)
 
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ohiobuckintx said:
we have a "know it all" here at work who swears to "break in" a vehicle, you should drive it like you stole it. He also says to never use synthetic until after 15000 miles. ( then again this is a guy who changes his oli once a year or 15000 miles because mobile 1 says it will last 25000).

I drive pretty conservatively and havent gone over 72 (local speed limit is 70)
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Yeah, that's old school thinking with the Synthetic change. Modern engines are ok to switch to synthetic at first change. I think in the past the new engine rings would break in better with dino oil, but from what I have rad that is no longer the case. Something along those lines, I would need to go do some research to confirm what it was exactly.


The drive it like you stole during break in theory has gone both ways. It seems to make more sense to keep it easy, but some engines do seem to fair well from the rough break in. Might be related to tolerances in the engine, not sure on that.

Your work know it all is crazy, 15,000 miles it too long. I wonder if he ever send it off for analysis to make sure he's not doing any damage.
 
#9 ·
The shop boss at my dealership said that I should change the oil at 6,000 miles per the maint. schedule. He said no problem using synthetic "but , that it would be a waste of money". Especialy with the lifetime warrenty, if it blows up anytime they will fix it for free. My first oil change is free, so I will take a good book and let them do it. After that I will do them myself. Contrary to what some will say, DIU fluid changes will not void the warrenty. I have always done my oil changes at 3,000 miles, times and technology change, so I guess I can too. Just as a side note: the SRV vehicles come with synthetic from the factory, they are not covered by the lifetime warrenty.
 
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I saw a section in the owners manual about break in. If you read it let me know if anything important is in there. I don't think the oil thing is a big deal. All the major oils meet the requirements. Synthetics exceed the requirements. I use Mobil 1 synthetic and change every 5k miles. This makes it easy to see when it is due. On regular oil I would go every 3k miles. Doing the math the more expensive oil at longer intervals comes out to about the same cost. I changed the oil the first time before 3K miles to get the synthetic in A.S.A.P.
 
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I used Mobil 1 5w20 on my first oil change- about $20 for a jug at Walmart south of the Canada-US border. I plan to change my oil every 5k km (3k miles). I used an AC Delco filter but I'm still looking for a place where I can buy a good filter for less than I paid ($10)
 
#13 ·
wvcox1 said:
Although I've read contradicting opinions on this, it seems like some folks think doing an early oil change with a new car helps due to break-in. I waited until 4500 miles and changed mine, came out blacker 'n hell. Used Castrol Syntec Blend with a Fram filter (don't shoot me for the Fram, all I could find at the time). Next time I'll probably use a Mopar if I can't find a K & N. Used the K & N on my prior car, a Disco II. Heck the repair costs on the Disco II almost were equivalent to the whole cost of the !@#$!@# Patriot. Don't understand why the Brits can design a car that can go Billy-Goat up a mountain but then cost $7k to fix!

Anyway hope that helps, I do recall the change being incredibly simple.

Take care & enjoy the ride
Walter
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we wont shoot you because you know fram is no good, its the guys that say what is wrong with fram we worry about. Those guys probably dont change it at 3000 miles either making it worse lol
 
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kanus said:
I used Mobil 1 5w20 on my first oil change- about $20 for a jug at Walmart south of the Canada-US border. I plan to change my oil every 5k km (3k miles). I used an AC Delco filter but I'm still looking for a place where I can buy a good filter for less than I paid ($10)
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Here you go Kanus http://www.newmoparparts.com/mopar-parts.htm all the spares you could ever need from mopar and at pretty good prices

Mopar oil filters for the patriot at a cost of $5.60 each. :smiley_thumbs_up:
 
#16 ·
If you are doing mostly highway driving, you probably don't need to change the first oil until 1500+ miles. I changed mine at 750 and it was super clean.

I use 5w30 Mobil1 Synthetic and I am changing every 6000 miles because of hw driving.
 
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Patriot Kmc said:
Here you go Kanus http://www.newmoparparts.com/mopar-parts.htm all the spares you could ever need from mopar and at pretty good prices

Mopar oil filters for the patriot at a cost of $5.60 each. :smiley_thumbs_up:
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Thanks for the link. I'll check it out although shipping to Canada is quite often a killer.

The dealer wanted $12 plus 14% tax for a Mopar filter here in Ontario.
 
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