Hi all, I was wondering if anyone has towed a caravan or trailer around 1500kg in weight with a 2.4 petrol Patriot & if so how did it go.
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Ross
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Ross
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1500kg is like 3300lbs +/- I believe. The 2.4L Patriots in the US are only rated to 2000lbs maximum. I have read( on this site )that the export versions carry a rating up to 3000lbs but is that not with the diesel option?
Either way your weight is over the max the vehicle is rated for and I would not recommend you do it. I tow my boat which depending on time of year( fishing or waterfowling )runs approx 1500-1700 lbs. That is really as much as I would want to tow with it and I have the 2.4L.
1500kg with a 2.4L would be brutal IMO. I think you would kill the drivetrain in it if you towed that much often and/or far.
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Jeep AUS rate towing for 2.4L manual/CVT at 1500kg and 1200kg for the 2.0L. Total GVM with trailer/caravan is 3510kg.
They haven't sold the 6spd diesel here in years, so I don't know what the rating for it was. It's possible we have an oil cooler as standard, but I've never pulled the plastic liner off the bottom to have a look.
I wouldn't tow that much in any case, as you only have a 400kg load limit in the car as it is. But you'd think Jeep would err on the side of caution and have some tolerance factored in? At least Jeep USA does...
They haven't sold the 6spd diesel here in years, so I don't know what the rating for it was. It's possible we have an oil cooler as standard, but I've never pulled the plastic liner off the bottom to have a look.
I wouldn't tow that much in any case, as you only have a 400kg load limit in the car as it is. But you'd think Jeep would err on the side of caution and have some tolerance factored in? At least Jeep USA does...
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Tow rating has a lot to do with vehicle brakes, suspension, the way the trailer is attached to the tow vehicle, the rating of the trailer hitch, and length of the vehicle and little to do with the power the motor makes. Look it up.
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I agree. Adding a heavier load then the vehicle is rated for will torture the brakes most.
Ever try to stop a semi truck using go-cart brakes? LOL
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I agree about the brakes and suspension and such but I disagree on the power comment. Towing a load that is too heavy for the power the engine makes adds increased strain on the engine, tranny, etc...
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That being said, my Trooper had a 180 something HP v6, and had a 5,000 lbs tow rating. It did however have a body on frame, solid rear axle, longer wheelbase, and weighed nearly 4,500 lbs empty.
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Leaf springs have a substantial increase in weight limit. As well the brakes while being drums are sizably much larger then the Patriot as well.
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You also had a more powerful motor( HP & FTLBS )than the Patriot offers, plus that massive cooling system you refer to, which makes a big difference in towing. Sounds like you had the Isuzu 3.2 L 6VD1 engine which was around 190 HP as I recall and 200 or so FTBLS. Bottom line is you had a more robust engine/drivetrain that put out more power to go along with the beefier vehicle on the whole.
People, I am not saying the vehicle platform does not play a factor, no a significant factor, in the vehicle's towing ability. You are all right about that and I don't dispute it at all. The engine/drivetrain does as well though and clearly the Patriot is limited by it's drivetrain. As said above that is why the max capacity varies based on the vehicle having an oil cooler or not.
I had a 2008 Chevy Equinox w/ the 3.4L that was AWD. Very similar to the Patriot in size, suspension, brakes, etc... The max capacity on that vehicle was 3500lbs however and I would say due to the more robust drivetrain. The 3.4L V6 had a bit more OOMPH in it( 184 HP / 210 FTBLS )than the Patriot's small 4 cyls engines.
2.0L = 158 HP / 141 FTLBS
2.4L = 172 HP / 165 FTLBS
I am sure that a Patriot CAN pull more than the max capacity but it is not good for the drivetrain IMO. The drivetrain is just not setup for towing a lot of weight and when you exceed what the vehicle is rated at you are putting a lot of strain on the drivetrain components. A 170 HP / 160 FTLBS 4 cyl will have a much harder time towing a 3000lbs load than a 180 HP / 200 FTLBS V6 will. You have to keep the drivetrain's limitations in mind as well as that of the suspension, brakes, etc...
All I am saying( in a polite and friendly manner - not mad just "splainin"
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I've towed a 2 place trailer, with two large wheelers loaded and equipment, est weight 2100lbs. and honestly, I'd never do it again with my Patriot. That was a little too much weight for a little 4 banger motor. Keep it under 2000lbs with a patriot, and that's only if you have a tow rated Patriot. w/o tow package, you shouldn't really tow more that 1000lbs.
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I was doing a little research and found a UK site the stated Non-North American Models have slightly different tow ratings. The towing capacities listed were 450kg (992 lbs) unbraked trailer, and 1,500kg (3300 lbs) braked trailer for all their models (both diesel and gas). Hopefully that helps a little bit?
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All of the upgrades will make a difference in how much power your Jeep will have to pull, But as for the brakes, without an upgrade, you'll just eat the pads quicker and have longer stopping distances. & as for your suspension, the heavier the load, the more you'll make your Jeep unstable, it'll offset the inline of the Jeep(power of pulling) therefore actually adding more stress on motor, trans, etc. Plus the heavier the loads you'll put wear and tear on your shocks.
But referring to your Jeep, the amount of actual performace upgrade you've made I wouldn't maybe tow anymore than 100 or so extra lbs then stated. If you beefed up your rear shocks that would help a little but not a lot. In the main stream of things, if you want to tow a lot but an SUV with a v6 or 8.
Hope that helps a little.
But referring to your Jeep, the amount of actual performace upgrade you've made I wouldn't maybe tow anymore than 100 or so extra lbs then stated. If you beefed up your rear shocks that would help a little but not a lot. In the main stream of things, if you want to tow a lot but an SUV with a v6 or 8.
Hope that helps a little.
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First thing hitched.
It's only a 500lb trailer but it's set higher for my other beast.
Pulls great but dang u can feel it bouncing all over the place. 3500lb axle. Couldn't feel it at all in the Burb.
I'll just change the springs and lighten the load rate and it will run real nice.
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It's only a 500lb trailer but it's set higher for my other beast.
Pulls great but dang u can feel it bouncing all over the place. 3500lb axle. Couldn't feel it at all in the Burb.
I'll just change the springs and lighten the load rate and it will run real nice.
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