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#21 ·
I'm happy with mine. I would surely be glad to have more performance, a bigger tank, and better mileage, but I knew what I was getting. My mileage is low (around 19) but that's because I do a lot of stop-and-go city driving and I'm sure the roof basket I added cuts mileage too.

But overall I find the vehicle comfortable, well equipped, and nice to drive, and as soon as I can get the time it's taking me on some nice backcountry adventures.
 
#22 ·
I am bothered by the fact that you said you paid 23,000 for it and are expecting more than the 16000 sport version.

Just because your car cost more does not mean its better. The jeep starts at 16000 or 17000, what you add to it makes it go up in price, but not the "quality" you pay more for leather seats, or yes seats, more for CD player and speakers, more for AC and 4x4, more for AC and other things. But the overall make up of the jeep and parts and quality is the same as the 16000 version. More options does not always mean that your going to get better gas milage or be happier with your car.
 
#23 ·
entrust, Sorry but I cannot help you here. I am getting excellent mileage out of an SUV, have adequate performance, have had zero defects, and am satisfied with the fit and finish of my early 07 Patriot.

I am very satisfied with the car and I can compare it direcly with my sister's CR-V and my in-law's RAV4 and can see that the Patriot compares favorably. The RAV4 4x4, 4cyl, and auto is much slower than the Patriot (CVT or manual) and I found the quality and interior design to be inferior for most areas. The CR-V is very nice and if I was never going offroad it would be a good choice --- at $7k more.
 
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#24 ·
Terasec said:
Pat is slow,very slow.
21 mpg for a 4 cyl is also pathetic,
6cyl liberty gets better mpg and much better acceleration.
I bought the pat for 4X4. And price, was better off with a liberty
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What Liberty are you quoting for better mileage? Everything I've seen is struggling to hit 20mpg.
 
#25 ·
6 cyl 2004 liberty

festerw said:
What Liberty are you quoting for better mileage? Everything I've seen is struggling to hit 20mpg.
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sister has a liberty,
Between the 2 of us
we have had 2 wranglers,
1 liberty,
3 Grand cherokees
1 Cherokee sport
and now 1 Pat
(all 4x4's)


Liberty has 55K miles on it,
and gets 20 mpg in the city
and 23 mpg on the highway
have taken the liberty from NYC to toronto,
about 400 miles each way
in the pat i averaged 22 mpg's
in the liberty i averaged 23 mpgs,
small difference in MPG's
but big difference in acceleration,
prefer Pats styling over the liberty,
But prefer Liberty's engine over the pats,

i drive quite a bit on the highway
pat is 3 months old and has +9K miles on it
 
#26 ·
After 6 mos I've been real pleased with my FDII. For me:

- Good build quality
- Better MPG than EPA estimates
- Comfortable - good ride/handling/brakes
- Adequate acceleration (I LIKE the CVT!)
- Great looks/character. Not feminized like RAV-4, CRV.

Perfect? No. Are there things I would change? yes - I never owned a car that didnt have at least a few little annoyances.
 
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Terasec said:
Pat is slow,very slow.
21 mpg for a 4 cyl is also pathetic,
6cyl liberty gets better mpg and much better acceleration.
I bought the pat for 4X4. And price, was better off with a liberty
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Car and Driver tested a manual Patriot, and went from 0-60 in 8.7 seconds. For comparison, consider these times:

2006 Liberty - 10.1 seconds
2007 CRV - 9.8 seconds
2006 RAV4 - 8.7 seconds.

If speed is important to you, you may want to reconsider buying a 4 cylinder vehicle with a CVT. Did you test drive a Patriot before buying it?
 
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#28 ·
The BIG thing that bothers me is people who buy cars like the Denali. A giant hunk of steel with an overpowered inefficient engine that can't handle worth a damn. Who needs that kind of performance in a car that will roll over at the first hairpin turn at Lime Rock racetrack. If you want Corvette performance at least get a car that can handle like a Corvette. All I read about these days are SUV accidents where the guy in the SUV was driving too fast for the conditions, ran somebody down at the cross walk, rolled their car or ended up in the woods.

The Patriot is a sensible SUV that really has decent performance and is efficient. Personally, I would not be caught dead in a Denali, Escalade or Navigator. Is my Patriot perfect? I guess not, but is any car 100% perfect?

My Patriot does what I want it to do and it does it reliably and efficiently. OK, rant over. I have some golf clubs I need to get in that baby before the temperature drops too far.
 
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#29 ·
Terasec said:
in the pat i averaged 22 mpg's
in the liberty i averaged 23 mpgs,
small difference in MPG's
but big difference in acceleration,
prefer Pats styling over the liberty,
But prefer Liberty's engine over the pats,
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Perhaps the '07 and older model Liberty's have better acceleration, however, the same can't be said for the '08 Liberty. It has put on a bit of weight, and has kept the same old engine and 4-speed tranny.

Motor Trend recently did a Sport/Utility of the Year contest that included both the Patriot and the 08 Liberty. The Liberty had the slowest acceleration time of the group.

Link
 
#30 ·
did a quick look

unclejjg said:
Perhaps the '07 and older model Liberty's have better acceleration, however, the same can't be said for the '08 Liberty. It has put on a bit of weight, and has kept the same old engine and 4-speed tranny.

Motor Trend recently did a Sport/Utility of the Year contest that included both the Patriot and the 08 Liberty. The Liberty had the slowest acceleration time of the group.

Link
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did notice that
was surprised,
Liberty may feel quicker off the line with more HP at lower end of RPM's
quick look had 235 hp at 4K rpms compared to Pats 172 at 6200 rpms,
am trying to get full HP/torque curves for both, especially the pat,
am curious to see full curve
4 cylinders usually generate most of their HP at higher rpms,
last 4 banger my neon, was a slow poke at under 3K rpms,
but made up for it at the higher rpms,
 
#32 ·
It's too bad you're not happy with your Pat. I'm not sure you're going to get a ton of support since most of us here are happy with our choice. I guess my question to you is: Did you test drive it before you bought it? The apparent lack of power you claim would've been noticeable from the first 5-seconds you drove it.

I got the Pat for it's gas mileage, plus it fit my lifestyle better than my 1994 Ford Ranger. The Ranger claimed 175hp as well but coming from a V6, and it's mileage was terrible. (19/21 compared to my Pat's 26/29).

Now, I agree with you that compared to my Ranger, the Pat usually doesn't have the get-up-and-go but I expected it. I just KNEW I was getting 4-cylinder performance so I wasn't disappointed. But those 175 horses ARE there... they're just accessed a little differently. I can easily chirp the tires on my Pat, and that is with the CVT. And passing is easy if you just anticipate the CVT's "pause to rev-up."

Well, good luck and I hope you find a vehicle that you're happy with.
 
#34 ·
unclejjg said:
Perhaps the '07 and older model Liberty's have better acceleration, however, the same can't be said for the '08 Liberty. It has put on a bit of weight, and has kept the same old engine and 4-speed tranny.

Motor Trend recently did a Sport/Utility of the Year contest that included both the Patriot and the 08 Liberty. The Liberty had the slowest acceleration time of the group.

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Thanks for the Link.
There's a Lot of good info in that article!
 
#35 ·
yes CVT is quite different

smoother and quieter, definetely,
better? well may be a matter of opinion,
I like the CVT when cruising on back roads,
nice feeling when holding between 40-60 mph,
I dont like it off the line,
few times i accelerate to enter traffic,
and a vehicle that was hundreds of feet away, is now right on my back as i am still trying to get up to speed,
did notice i get better acceleration when i give it half throttle as opposed to full throttle, and wait for some speed before trying to accelerate harder,
I am not an aggressive driver,
have had my fun in the past,
but do like some performance from my vehicles
Overall am happy with the pat for the price,
4x4 for $20K
works for me
 
#36 ·
Terasec said:
did notice that
was surprised,
Liberty may feel quicker off the line with more HP at lower end of RPM's
quick look had 235 hp at 4K rpms compared to Pats 172 at 6200 rpms,
am trying to get full HP/torque curves for both, especially the pat,
am curious to see full curve
4 cylinders usually generate most of their HP at higher rpms,
last 4 banger my neon, was a slow poke at under 3K rpms,
but made up for it at the higher rpms,
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CVT’s are deceiving. They feel slower than they actually are. They take some getting used to.
 
#37 ·
Terasec said:
few times i accelerate to enter traffic,
and a vehicle that was hundreds of feet away, is now right on my back as i am still trying to get up to speed
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I have to agree with you on that one. I thought I was going to cause an accident the first time I tried to merge onto a speeding I-74 here. Mannn, it just does NOT accelerate fast as shifting transmissions do. (where they go up to and just past max torque/HP and then shift to just below those again, etc.)
I love my Pat, but I have had to adjust my thoughts on how to merge with high-speed traffic now.
Getting used to the CVT shouldn't be a trial-by-fire, if ya know what I mean..:icon_rolleyes:

Still, our Pat is a keeper:D
 
#38 ·
Randoo-N-CJ said:
I have to agree with you on that one. I thought I was going to cause an accident the first time I tried to merge onto a speeding I-74 here. Mannn, it just does NOT accelerate fast as shifting transmissions do. (where they go up to and just past max torque/HP and then shift to just below those again, etc.)
I love my Pat, but I have had to adjust my thoughts on how to merge with high-speed traffic now.
Getting used to the CVT shouldn't be a trial-by-fire, if ya know what I mean..:icon_rolleyes:

Still, our Pat is a keeper:D
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Just a thought, you might want to try experimenting with different throttle positions when you are trying to get the most acceleration. I've found that if I alter my foot on the gas in tune with what the transmission is doing I can accelerate much quicker than if I put my foot on the floor. It has gotten to the point I do it without thinking twice now just by listening to the engine's RPMs. Just all a part of getting used to the CVT versus a regular auto transmission.
 
#39 ·
I find that when merging the Autostick really shines. You have better control over the aceleration- Merely downshift one or two "gears" to get to the peak power point and then upshift as required.

I also find that flooring the accelerator with the CVT is counterproductive- I push the gas pedal about halfway down to accelerate, I then briefly let up and then come down hard. It takes a little practise but I am finding that the acceleration of the Patriot is good- compares with my 3.7 litre Dakota- but gets much better MPG (30 versus 15 with the Dakota).
 
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#40 ·
johnda said:
The BIG thing that bothers me is people who buy cars like the Denali. A giant hunk of steel with an overpowered inefficient engine that can't handle worth a damn. Who needs that kind of performance in a car that will roll over at the first hairpin turn at Lime Rock racetrack. If you want Corvette performance at least get a car that can handle like a Corvette. All I read about these days are SUV accidents where the guy in the SUV was driving too fast for the conditions, ran somebody down at the cross walk, rolled their car or ended up in the woods.

The Patriot is a sensible SUV that really has decent performance and is efficient. Personally, I would not be caught dead in a Denali, Escalade or Navigator. Is my Patriot perfect? I guess not, but is any car 100% perfect?

My Patriot does what I want it to do and it does it reliably and efficiently. OK, rant over. I have some golf clubs I need to get in that baby before the temperature drops too far.
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You haven't driven the newly redesigned GM full size SUVs then, if you feel that way. While I certainly respect that an SUV the size of a Patriot is adequate for your needs, that doesn't mean people buy larger SUVs for "performance" reasons, in the sense that they feel like taking it around a track.

I am quite biased, however, as I've been lucky enough to drive a brand new Tahoe for over a year before I got my Patriot. (It's my dad's Tahoe; I didn't give up a Tahoe for a Patriot ;)) My dad decided to upgrade to the Tahoe from a TrailBlazer, and the way the Tahoe handles in comparison to the TrailBlazer is unbelievable. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you'd have to be quite an idiot nowadays to roll over one of these 5000+lb beasts, thanks to all new anti-roll over mitigation systems.

We tow trailers and boats with the Tahoe, so I just can't see anything larger than a push-mower being towed behind the Patriot. I'm not saying the Patriot can't handle a boat (yes, I've seen many pictures to prove it), I'm just saying that it's much more comfortable towing something with a 5.3L V8, than a dinky little 4 cylinder CVT.

I apologize if I've severely annoyed/angered anyone, it's just that I tend to get irritated when people put down full-size SUVs for their "necessity" and other issues. I will agree that while the Tahoe isn't towing something on a weekly basis, it's put to more practical use than Escalades that have 24" wheels and are practically only a rolling status symbol.
 
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