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Jon there, in the video, looks like he might treat himself to a glass of white wine after work.
With an ice cube.
Before eating some tofu.

And then chugging a glass of Metamucil before going to bed, hoping his morning elimination will go better than all the others prior.

I'm not fussy about folks, takes everyone to make up the world.
But before you get to telling me how I should act and do, you'd best look comfortable with a beer in one hand and big old chunk of home made pepperoni or jerky in the other.

And have a dog. A real dog, not one of those emergency back up dogs.
You want to walk around with a tampon on a string, fine, but don't be telling me how to go about my business!

And one last thing: as I'm passing you in your Prius, I'm going to gear down so you can hear all the gas I'm burning on my way to getting ahead of you.

Sanctimonious twit.
 
The only weak spot in the Patriot is the front steering/suspension usually need some work at 50,000 miles. Tie rod ends and possibly lower control arms. Not major stuff, but good to know it needs to be done before you are slapped with a repair bill you didn't expect.
This I can vouch for personally.
 
I think the JD Power 2012 survey is for the most part meaningless because the vehicles in the survey are newly purchased vehicles still under warranty so the results may speak more to poor factory quality control inspections for fit and finish or poor dealer pre-delivery inspections. Also the grouping of vehicles by manufacturer doesn't sit well with me because there are undoubtedly models within a manufactures group that rated better than others. Many parts on the Patriot may be identical or supplied by the same vendors as the vehicles in the top 10 because most vendors supply more than one manufacturer with parts.

I'm sure the folks that bought 2012 Ford Fusions with the problem six speed dual clutch automatics are scratching their heads wondering how Ford made it to number 8 in the survey.

The survey fails to speak to long term reliability and costs for maintenance and repair once off warranty. I would prefer to replace brakes, tie rod ends and ball joints rather than transmissions, engines and rusted out sub-assembles once off warranty.

Just for the record, my 2011 Patriot hasn't seen the dealer for any warranty or non-warranty repairs since purchased new in May 2011. I do my own service so I can keep an eye on things and address any issues before they become a problem.

Before the Patriot, I had a 93 Dodge Shadow and replaced it with a 2002 Corolla. The Corolla had for the most part an identical off warranty repair history as the Shadow. The real differences between the vehicles was the Shadow had better handling and ride, went through snow better, and had a superior heating and AC system but used a bit more fuel.

My 1990 Dodge Club Cab is still going strong and has required less after warranty repairs than the Shadow or Corolla but was repainted in 2004 because I pretty much wore the paint off it in a few spots.

My final thought on the subject of the JD Power survey is that I can't put much faith in a survey that indicates Jeep, Chrysler and Dodge as the worlds poorest manufacturer while the sales figures for the past couple of years indicate otherwise. Obviously the public knows something JD Power doesn't.
 
I'm really surprised that Jeep is ranked so low. From my own personal experience owning Jeeps and all the people I know that have Jeeps I would have guessed Jeep would be ranked towards the top. I can't even count how many 10-15 year old Cherokees I see driving around on a daily basis. Not to say that the Pat is built as well as the Cherokee...
 
Cover up what problem?

The "problem" gets the headlines but the final answer seems to not.
turns out, black box readings, extensive third party testing, NHTSA investigations, etc. etc. all come to driver error.
Sure.... I bet all those people died because of driver error? What about that guy who had to physically get stopped by the police car in california... He did everything he could and did everything the 911 operator told him to do to get the engine stopped.. So what is driver error by him and the 911 operator and all the police yelling at him to try to turn off his prius? I will never buy a toyota as long as I live. They wouldnt admit the problem before and they still haven't admitted the problem. I wish they would try to be responsible and try to save some lives.
 
I'm really surprised that Jeep is ranked so low. From my own personal experience owning Jeeps and all the people I know that have Jeeps I would have guessed Jeep would be ranked towards the top. I can't even count how many 10-15 year old Cherokees I see driving around on a daily basis. Not to say that the Pat is built as well as the Cherokee...
My experiences are only anecdotal as well but my Jeep owning friends over the years have long complained about reliability. It was never serious issues but more of a long stream of mid-level expensive repairs.

That said, I knew what I was getting into when I bought a Jeep so I only mildly complained when I had to replace control arms at about 50K a few months ago. I was annoyed -- even my piece of crap 2002 Nissan Sentra made it to over 80K -- but expected it.
 
Sure.... I bet all those people died because of driver error? What about that guy who had to physically get stopped by the police car in california... He did everything he could and did everything the 911 operator told him to do to get the engine stopped.. So what is driver error by him and the 911 operator and all the police yelling at him to try to turn off his prius? I will never buy a toyota as long as I live. They wouldnt admit the problem before and they still haven't admitted the problem. I wish they would try to be responsible and try to save some lives.
Didn't NASA engineers take a look at the Toyota's and could find no fault? I don't like Toyota, my wife worked from them and was done wrong, but that whole sticky gas pedal thing.... If nobody can find the problem, what can you do?

I saw a car wreck here one day. Some crazy b ran the red light I was stopped at and t-boned another car. I get out and check on the crazy b. She can't get out of the car. I tell her to unlock the door. She says it is. Firefighters show up. They tell her to unlock the door, she says it is. They tell her again to unlock the door, she messes around and says it is. They tell her she's not going to get out of the car until she calms down and unlocks the door. After a couple of moments she unlocks the door and gets out. My theory is she was pressing the window button and not the lock button, or she was pressing it the wrong way. Either way she used her power door lock to unlock it.

Never under estimate stupid.
 
If "that guy in California" is the same that guy I'm thinking about and read about, yes, he was definitely found to be a fraud and out for money. His car was gone over, extensively, and once he learned that the black box was returning data that didn't jibe with his story, his story began to morph.

You believe what you wish, I'll never buy Toyota because they are just too beige for me. Fact of the matter is there isn't an automobile in the world that can out motor its brakes when they are fully applied. Go grab a rental and try it. I have. Can not be done, period.

Now can you do zero maintenance and have 5% brakes and be driving on bald tires and have the vehicle overloaded at speed and get into trouble. You betcha. Somehow that is Toyota's fault or Firestone's?

Only in the eyes of a lawyer. And folks like you.

Sure.... I bet all those people died because of driver error? What about that guy who had to physically get stopped by the police car in california... He did everything he could and did everything the 911 operator told him to do to get the engine stopped.. So what is driver error by him and the 911 operator and all the police yelling at him to try to turn off his prius? I will never buy a toyota as long as I live. They wouldnt admit the problem before and they still haven't admitted the problem. I wish they would try to be responsible and try to save some lives.
 
I ignore all the consumer based reports because they are mostly based on consumers perception of quality,not facts.

Just ask a honda owner or toyota,they will say they are great even if its on fire.
The reason is they rationalized the purchased based on a misguided perception of quality and because of that, they never can admit they were wrong.

People buy chryslers because they want them, and if something breaks they tend to be dissapointed and report it.

Thus, even though toyotas are no beter, thier owners can.t bring themselves to report a problem because it goes against why they thought they bought it.

Its human nature and thus JD and CR reports are useless.
 
Nobody will admit that Jeep (Chrysler) is low build quality, as long as they own one, unless something catastrophic has happened, so good luck getting real answers. Personally, my Patriot hasn't had any MAJOR issues, but seeing as it's brand new, with almost no miles, and pampered, it has had way too many issues that shouldn't be present at this point in time.

Just read some of the recent postings up here about engines, suspensions, interiors and don't forget the infamous water leak.

Again, I'm not really bashing Jeep (Chrysler) because when you get these vehicles at such low prices, it has to be coming from somewhere. Cheaper parts, and lower build quality. That's the price you pay. As far as people being surprised at Jeep/Dodge/Chrysler ranking, Chrysler did go bankrupt for a reason. Chrysler has had like 5 reorganizations (dissolving companies and creating a new company) in the past 20 years. Now it's owned by Fiat. Reputations are gained for a reason. I doubt you will find anyone on this board who can honestly say they purchased the Patriot for reliability/quality. They all purchased it because they liked the styling, liked the price point, and didn't want some compact Ford Focus or Hyundai.

For the money, these cars are good. Just make sure to do routine maintenance (I get oil change and the inspection stuff every 3 months) to avoid any major issues. You'll notice that Toyota and Honda are creeping up in price, because that quality costs money.
 
didnt Consumer Reports, for what little its worth, name Jeep the most reliable North American brand for 2011, and Pat the most reliable Jeep?

http://www.jeeppatriot.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83801&highlight=reliability
Jeep has been ranked the most reliable North American brand according to the Consumer Reports 2011 Annual Auto Survey (based on subscribers experiences with 1.3 million vehicles).

They are still number 13 on the list however, but moved up 7 spots this year. Not bad considering Ford dropped 10 spots this year...

"Jeep has moved up seven spots to become the most reliable domestic brand, and all its models for which we have sufficient data scored average in predicted reliability. Chrysler and Dodge moved up 12 and three spots in ranking, respectively."

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/c...y-findings.htm
 
My wifes family have been Jeep lovers for years, from Cherokees to Wranglers. My mother in law just got a brand new Wrangler, after putting almost 200k miles on her 04 Wrangler which she had very few if any issues with. I came from a VW background, which I will never go back to. My family has been Chrysler converts for the past couple of years, with my mother driving a 300, and my father a Hemi Ram, with basically zero issues or problems. My Patriot has had a few problems so far, but nothing major, and has been warrantied.
 
Fact of the matter is there isn't an automobile in the world that can out motor its brakes when they are fully applied. Go grab a rental and try it. I have. Can not be done, period.
Well... I haven't tried it at highway speeds, but in first gear high range my jeep easily out powers my brakes at idle. In low range the brakes barely make an impact. In the charger the gas easily over power the rear brakes allowing for big smokey burn outs. I wouldn't dare test it at speed, but even with huge brembo brakes I see it as plausible. How long does it take to overheat the brakes of a prius? Once they're hot you are done for.
 
By this point, we are all familiar (if not overly familiar) with Toyota's troubles with floor mats, unintended acceleration, biggest-ever recall, etc. And if you're not familiar with Toyota's woes from reading this site, perhaps you've heard about Consumer Reports' investigation into ToMoCo's troubles. Well, guess what? The gang over at Car and Driver decided to launch their own inquisition into FloorMatGate.

Here's how they set up the tests. C/D took a V6 Camry, a Infiniti G37 Convertible and a supercharged, 540-horsepower Roush Ford Mustang. The Camry is identical very similar to the Lexus ES350 that crashed in San Diego and set off the current brouhaha. Similar in that it has an electronic throttle and push button start. Same brakes, too. The Infiniti also has electronic throttle and push button start, though it's more powerful and has bigger brakes. Also, the Infiniti has a throttle interrupt that cuts fuel when the brake is applied. The Camry – and as far as C/D knows, all Toyota models – does not. As for the Roush, why the hell not? No, actually the reason is to see if a mega-power engine can overwhelm a car's brakes at high speeds.

Here's the methodology: First they recorded each car's 70-0 mph braking distances with a closed throttle (i.e. foot off the gas). Then they recorded 70-0 mph braking distances with an open throttle (foot on the gas). Next, they upped the ante to 100 mph for both closed and open throttle tests. The results are actually quite interesting, and we will share with you that a Toyota Camry under wide open throttle can stop from 70 mph one foot shorter than a 2010 Ford Taurus under normal braking. Also, it's best to take your foot off the gas in a 540-hp Roush when you're going 100 mph and want to stop. Unless you have 903 feet to spare. Just sayin.'

[Source: Car and Driver]
Just Google it up...or keep spreading misinformation.
Other than sticking floor mats (which I attribute to driver error...who drives with a mat like that?) the vast, huge, significant majority of Toyota complaints were found to have no issues with the vehicle, its systems or any engineering. almost all were found to be human error on the part of the driver.

Period. Either read the results or call me a liar, don't matter to me.
I'll stand with my first statement: this was/is the result of media, lawyers and idiot drivers.

If you can stop a 500+ HP Rousch Mustang under full throttle, you can stop any vehicle under full throttle.

Back in the day I used to sand and mud drag and we truly did get throttles stuck at WOT. If it didn't happen you weren't pushing hard enough to win. We always stopped them, even if it took a while. You don't go down the road for miles under WOT without stopping unless you want to. Or are incredibly stupid.
 
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