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Hi guys :smiley_thumbs_up:

Yep I knew it, too many complain about the CTV2 transmission, thank god that I did not jump in a Patriot, I still like it, but......

May be in a couple years Jeep will ad more torque :banana: then I will buy one, meanwhile for me, is a waiting period.

The CTV2 is for road that don't exceed between 2 ~ 3 ( 1 to 10 ) 10 is the most difficult.

In the future, if the CTV2 can make it up to 5 ~ 6 then will be a good trail rate it 4x4 for the general Joe.


Cheers.
:)
 
I am still feeling out the CVT. At this point I have really begun to enjoy using it in the full automatic mode and have not been fiddling with the autostick feature too much. What intrigues me is that when I'm cruising at 50 mph, the tach shows 2,000 rpms. Then I go to 60 mph and the tach stays at 2000 rpms, but no shift is felt. Since I'm covering more ground at 60 with the same rpm's I think my most efficient point for gas mileage is 60 mph.

Hard acceleration is very similar to taking off in a non-afterburner equipped jet, there's a rush of sound and a turbine-like rush forward that builds speed more quickly as the speed increases. It does take a bit of getting used to, but I am happy with the acceleration. If I wanted a Vette, I would have bought a Vette.

I hope the transmission stays trouble free over the years, but we'll just have to see how that goes. I am still loving driving around in my Patriot!:)
 
"I hope the transmission stays trouble free over the years, but we'll just have to see how that goes." I am with you on that, johnda. We's paid our money and now we's takes our chances.
 
Can anyone tell me about the history of this drive line? Was this frame adapted from something else? Were these engines for what car or truck? Was this CVT really made for a what but it was too small?
Just wondered if there was any history to it.
 
Can anyone tell me about the history of this drive line? Was this frame adapted from something else? Were these engines for what car or truck? Was this CVT really made for a what but it was too small?
Just wondered if there was any history to it.
The chassis was based on the Mitsubishi GS platform. Mitsubishi and Chrysler have parted ways on this chassis, but it served as the starting point for products in both companies.

The GEMA 2.4L engine was developed around a 280HP FI engine -- see the Dodge Caliber SRT4.

The JATCO JF011E transmission in the Patriot was developed as a FWD application shared with several other platforms: Nissan Lafesta, Nissan Serena, Nissan Bluebird Sylphy, Mitsubishi Outlander, Dodge Caliber. (list from Wikipedia)

The following links have compiled some good info:

(caveat emptor, Wikipedia is only as good as its contributed content)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeep_Patriot

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitsubishi_GS_platform

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Engine_Manufacturing_Alliance

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jatco_transmissions
 
Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but on the manual vs. CVT debate, why does one get better MPGs with a manual? What's the science behind it?

P.S. Speaking of "stupid questions," check out this quote that I read a while back; cracks me up...

If there are no stupid questions, then what kind of questions do stupid people ask? Do they get smart just in time to ask questions? (Scott Adams)


An automatic trans is a hydraulic pump that requires more engine horsepower to turn vs. a manual trans. This is most noticeable in vehicles powered by small engines. That is why some vehicles (Dodge Neon, for example) are considered peppy with a manual trans but sluggish with an automatic. Very similar to turning on the A/C on a small car. Notice how the engine bogs with the A/C compressor running.
 
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