I can't leave things alone on a Jeep not even the Tires. I took my Patriot to Les Schwab and had the Tires Siped Today after work. Two days ago I took another Jeep to Les Schwab and had those Tires Siped. I know there are Pros and Cons, many opinions. Anybody want to give there opinion besides a waste of Money.:wow:::wow:
Tire Siping
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kds the siping was done by a professional Tire Shop that has been doing it for years. There are People that groove and sipe Tires themselves. This was not a DIY project. The Tire has to meet tread depth requirements or Les Schwab Tires will not sipe them. In my case the Tires were new Tires. Les Schwab has a machine the cost thousands of dollars. They know what they are doing. The sidewall on the tire is not going to blow out as there was nothing done to it. The sipes are on the middle tread of the tire about 1/4" deep maybe more. Thank you for your input and in your case do not sipe your Tires. Did you watch the Video Todde posted ? Too harsh, maybe and maybe not.
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And tire shops never do any questionable practices, like selling questionable tires? *gasp*
Why would I trust a video on YouTube that claims to be a "scientific" "study" from a website that clearly has a bias towards siping? That video -- and the test subjects in it -- have too much human control in it for me to trust it. It's nothing more than a sales gimmick. You may think that siping helps traction on wet or snow-packed roads, but it's actually shown to increase stopping distance on dry pavement. Why would that be a good thing when a majority of our driving is on dry pavement? Tiptronic is right... why is siping illegal overseas?
One last thought for you... I hesitate to mention this because this one bothers me and I don't like sharing these stories with strangers, but maybe it will help you see where I'm coming from. I handled a collision a few months ago where four people were in a vehicle. The driver was the daughter of our insured. In the front passenger's seat was our insured, an elderly gentleman. In the back seat was our insured's wife, and sitting next to her was her grand daughter, a 6-month infant in a car seat. As they were on a highway overpass, they had a catastrophic tire failure, causing the driver to lose control and cross three lanes of traffic to the left and hit the concrete barrier. In an attempt to regain control, the driver overcorrected and crossed the same three lanes of traffic and hit the right concrete barrier. A second vehicle then rear-ended the first vehicle, ejecting the elderly gentleman in the front passengers seat and the infant in the rear. Both landed on the road beneath the overpass they were on. The infant survived, the gentleman did not. The cause of accident? The catastrophic tire failure. Not because they were bald... not because they were poorly maintained, but the highway patrol determined that the tires were "intentionally modified beyond the manufacturer's specifications."
In your first post you stated "I can't leave things alone on a Jeep not even the Tires." So you're doing this just because you can't leave things be? Sounds about right, but it's not a very good reason. It's clear that you offered this up for discussion, but won't consider the ramifications of such a practice just because people who offer differing viewpoints don't matter to you. Let us know later on down the road how your tire treads are doing after siping.
Why would I trust a video on YouTube that claims to be a "scientific" "study" from a website that clearly has a bias towards siping? That video -- and the test subjects in it -- have too much human control in it for me to trust it. It's nothing more than a sales gimmick. You may think that siping helps traction on wet or snow-packed roads, but it's actually shown to increase stopping distance on dry pavement. Why would that be a good thing when a majority of our driving is on dry pavement? Tiptronic is right... why is siping illegal overseas?
One last thought for you... I hesitate to mention this because this one bothers me and I don't like sharing these stories with strangers, but maybe it will help you see where I'm coming from. I handled a collision a few months ago where four people were in a vehicle. The driver was the daughter of our insured. In the front passenger's seat was our insured, an elderly gentleman. In the back seat was our insured's wife, and sitting next to her was her grand daughter, a 6-month infant in a car seat. As they were on a highway overpass, they had a catastrophic tire failure, causing the driver to lose control and cross three lanes of traffic to the left and hit the concrete barrier. In an attempt to regain control, the driver overcorrected and crossed the same three lanes of traffic and hit the right concrete barrier. A second vehicle then rear-ended the first vehicle, ejecting the elderly gentleman in the front passengers seat and the infant in the rear. Both landed on the road beneath the overpass they were on. The infant survived, the gentleman did not. The cause of accident? The catastrophic tire failure. Not because they were bald... not because they were poorly maintained, but the highway patrol determined that the tires were "intentionally modified beyond the manufacturer's specifications."
In your first post you stated "I can't leave things alone on a Jeep not even the Tires." So you're doing this just because you can't leave things be? Sounds about right, but it's not a very good reason. It's clear that you offered this up for discussion, but won't consider the ramifications of such a practice just because people who offer differing viewpoints don't matter to you. Let us know later on down the road how your tire treads are doing after siping.
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I get what you are saying and believe me I have a hell of a lot of experience dealing with accidents....I have to say though that if the child seat was properly secured it would not have been ejected from the vehicle and if the gentlemen was wearing a seat belt he is more likely to have survived.
Anyone who fails to properly secure themselves in a vehicle is living on borrowed time...anyone who fails to secure a child properly in a vehicle is a complete and utter lunatic with no ounce of concern for the childs wellbeing and in the case of fatalities arising from that should be charged with culpable homicide...there is no excuse...and if the vehicle is not fitted with seatbelts then don't have a child in it or fit belts.
Sorry for taking this off topic but it does my head in!
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Personally, I wouldn't modify any tire. I won't buy retreads either.
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ya i agree. I can see both sides on this subject. When someone posted factory siped tires, it made me think that maybe there is a reason tires are not siped from factory. Maybe they know something we dont. Or maybe tires work best in their tests and do not need to be siped. But it is a cool technique. I am getting ready to buy some Hankook ATM's that are so awesome lookin. I think I am going to get the 225/75/16's. I will post pics this weekend. Thats after the lift also.
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I'm with that. Siping helps with rain and snow covered roads, but the tire manufactures are wll aware of this, and design their tires to perform optimally in all these conditions.
Adding additional siping to factory tires will be unpredictable.
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Les Schwab Tires siped my Tires, they opened in 1952 and are in 8 Western States with over 400 Stores. For what it's worth!!
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Maybe they are designing the tire for a number of different factors, traction, longevity, fuel economy, noise, cost..... All of these things are affected when a tire is siped.
Blizaks are one of the best if not THE best winter tire you can buy.
Wow look at all those sipes.
Great winter tire, but if you drive that tire over the summer not only will it be ruined very quickly, it will also be louder, decrease your fuel economy, ride more rough, and not provide proper traction.
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im going with an all weather tire. i hear they last longer and you dont need to worry about getting new tires come spring.
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Hmmmm... sounds like the same results of running an AT/MT on paved roads. Who on this forum would replace their street tires with AT/MT tires for cosmetic reasons???
Winter tires are made of rubber compounds that are intended for use in temperatures below 45*F.
Winter tire test, from Tire Rack...
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If you're doing it solely for cosmetic reasons, I agree you're wasting cash. But winter tires don't even look good. At least with an AT/MT what you lose in overall on road performance you make up for in off road capability, so as long as you use it, it's probably not a waste of $$$. A winter tire on summer roads provides no advantages.
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well im buying AT's because they are rated great in snow and winter and wet driving. The people who also reviewed this said the same. I also hear that AT wheels last longer. They happen to be great looking cosmetically so I am going with the Hankook ATM's.
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lol what the heck????:doh::doh:
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Are you getting AT wheels for your PAT, when you mount your new Hankook tires?
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lmao.. oops. when I read this I glanced at my post you quoted and was like d@mn I didnt know there was such thing as AT wheels. So here i was looking it up.
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I have considered siping. If you talk to the people at Les Schwab, siping is the best thing since sliced bread. They claim pretty much everything is improved. I am still on the fence about it. My question is this: If it's so great, why don't they come siped from the factory?
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Depends on the Tire, some knarly tires don't have any siping and others have a lot of factory siping. I just wanted more siping on my tires is why I did it. Stay on the fence and don't sipe your tires. I'm one who can't leave things as they are so siping the tires is what it is.
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I wouldn't base any decision on what a government thinks of something, especially a european gov't, they tend to discount the talents, thoughts and abilities of the common person. The elite on the other hand still find a way to do what they want.
IFR flight in a private plane is illegal in some/much of europe, (as is night VFR) I did it legally and safely in the states in a cherokee 140 with a single nav/com. I'm sure some wealthy european is flying in his country having paid for the privilege to do so. But we are incompetent scum to them.
That said, I would look long and hard at do-it-yourself tire siping, though for off road specialty stuff I wouldn't think it's a problem. On the expressway in the summer at high speeds you just don't know what effect that might have so unless you are going to an established shop with a large base of knowledge and some way of predicting and testing the long term effects on the tire of what they do....tread carefully.
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