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Note: the part # is for 2011 and newer. 2010 and older have a square air filter.

What kind of improvements? Better MPGs? more horsepower?

I was playing with a K&N display at the window tinting place and am now interested.
 
I apologize in advance for what I am about to post. I hate to rain on anyone's parade but...

What improvement is that? A K&N air filter is not going to give you any gains in HP nor will it give you more MPG. Certainly not real useable power and you "might" eek out a 1/2 gallon or less improvement in MPG at best. Despite the claims from K&N that they give power and MPG gains they don't real world. They give minimal gains at best if any. What you are experiencing is one of 2 things...

1 - you replaced a very dirty air filter and thus have restored performance and fuel economy to normal levels. This is similar to changing plugs and seeing gains. It isn't a real gain it is just a return to normal performance after replacing worn parts.

2 - Placebo effect. You THINK because you have a K&N air filter that you are getting more power.

The only real world benefits to a K&N replacement air filter is you buy it once and you can clean and reuse it for a long time vs replacing paper filters every 10-15K. It saves you money there and does a good job there. That is the only real benefit to them.

I am not a K&N basher. I have used their oil filters and their replacement air filters many many times. I am just a realist and can assure you what you are seeing/feeling is just wishful thinking. To see any HP/MPG gains you need to install a true Cold Air Intake(CAI ). Even those are over rated and provide marginal gains in power and seldom any MPG gains.

No offense but I don't believe for a second that a drop in K&N is giving power or MPG unless the old air filter was really shot. Used them myself too many times( to cut down on cost of multiple paper filters )with NO gains to believe the Patriot is any different.
 
Also, a lot of forums DON'T reccomend any of these "performance" air filters any more because they way they let more air in, also lets in more dirt! So you may notice a minimal improvement, but your griding your engine to dust if you do.
I would not put one on a weed wacker, never mind a far more expensive car.

Just replace the stock filter regularly and you engine will love you for it.
 
The fact that the K&N air filter's efficiency( filtering )actually improves as it gets dirty is a sign of what the member talks of above. Silicone will increase a lot in a vehicle on a UOA when a new K&N is put in or just after cleaning an old one.
 
Yes the K&N makes a difference

Track mileage from every fill up and use scan guage to help further. K&N filter gave a little more than .75 mpg improvement.
 
The improvement has held for over 1.5 years
 
Discussion starter · #9 ·
Its a new 2011 Riot and I put in the K&N at around 1900 miles so it was a new air filter I took out. I also have a K&N in my Ford Lightning and I got a 2-3 mpg increase and just a little bit more pop off the line. I felt a little faster acceleration and I started fuelly the day after I insalled the filter in my Patriot. I wish I would have had a before and after between the two filters. I gueess if it is a placebo Im ok with that because it makes me smile, thats good. :)
 
Its a new 2011 Riot and I put in the K&N at around 1900 miles so it was a new air filter I took out. I also have a K&N in my Ford Lightning and I got a 2-3 mpg increase and just a little bit more pop off the line. I felt a little faster acceleration and I started fuelly the day after I insalled the filter in my Patriot. I wish I would have had a before and after between the two filters. I gueess if it is a placebo Im ok with that because it makes me smile, thats good. :)
How did you come to the conclusion you were getting a 2-3 MPG increase in MPG on the Lightning? Was it through recording and hand calculating miles driven divided by gallons used to fill AND then comparing before and after so you had an accurate picture of the difference? Or, was it via an onboard computer or just a guess? I have had mostly V8 trucks my entire life and never once saw even a 1 MPG increase let alone 2-3 MPG from a drop in K&N. CAI's don't provide 2-3 MPG gains. If you could see a real 2-3 MPG gain from a drop in K&N type air filter every car mfg on the planet would start using them.

I am not trying to start anything with you. I know this makes me seem like a jerk but it is not my intent. Statements like you are making just do not ring true to me. They sound like the countless claims you see about increased HP and MPG from people who just throw random numbers out vs really checking it and documenting via hand calculating MPG before and after and dyno runs for HP.

If you truly saw a 2-3 MPG gain just dropping a K&N air filter in you experienced a miracle. .2-.3 I would believe but not a full 2-3. Sorry but that is just not believable to me.

With all respect meant.
 
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It was the difference I saw between driving from Portland, Ore to Bend, Ore several times before and after having the filter. But who knows maybe I just wanted it to work but it did seem to improve a bit to me. I have been known to drink the proverbial Kool-Aid from time to time. You guys seem to know quite a but more about this stuff than me so no offense taken NHPatriot. Thats why I like this forum I learn something everytime Im on here.
 
I have used K&N filters for years. They have worked very well on my motorcycles, especially my motocross bikes. I have never noted any foreign object encroachment on any motor I had a K&N installed on. (Other than water...) The trick is to seal them, especially true with the 2007-2010 GEMA engine. Use a thin layer of wheel bearing grease on the sealing surfaces. Im not putting one on my 2011 until I see some dyno figures on the comparison. The one they are selling for the 20011 is a UNIVERSAL! Not a vehicle-specific unit. Their own specs claim this unit flows @190 CFM, the STOCK filter in the 07-10 engine flowed 546. Until I know what the stock filter in the 2011 flows, or they come up with a specific fit replacement, Ill stick with MOPAR.
 
Besides flow numbers, you ight want to see if you can find filtering data.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/airfilter/airtest3.htm

http://www.roadkill.com/~davet/moto/air.filters.html

"In 60 minutes the AC Filter accumulated 574gms of dirt and passed only 0.4gms. After only 24 minutes the K&N had accumulated 221gms of dirt but passed 7.0gms.

Compared to the AC, the K&N“plugged up” nearly 3 times faster, passed 18 times more dirt and captured 37% less dirt. See the data tables for a complete summary of these comparisons."
http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/kn-vs-oem-filter.html
 
Its a new 2011 Riot and I put in the K&N at around 1900 miles so it was a new air filter I took out. I also have a K&N in my Ford Lightning and I got a 2-3 mpg increase and just a little bit more pop off the line. I felt a little faster acceleration and I started fuelly the day after I insalled the filter in my Patriot. I wish I would have had a before and after between the two filters. I gueess if it is a placebo Im ok with that because it makes me smile, thats good. :)
Using the "Buttdyno" eh? good enough for me:D
 
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