well i just wanted to say thank you for all of the great info and help from all of you. i just got a new 2011 wrangler unlimited yesterday and they are putting on a lift and wheels and tires today. for all of you that live around the kansas city area go to landmark jeep they have some patriots with a 2.5 spring lift and wheels and tire that i think are bds springs and the place that puts the lift on for them is called chux Trux in Independence mo. it really looks good anyway if anyone wants i have just the spacers for the rocky road lift that i got from earthworm for free so i will do the same for who ever wants them, i have a set of mirrors and a set of the 17 in wheels that came on the jeep for sale. let me know and thank you all.