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My Avenger will be worth nothing by then.....but nice idea!!
 
Well it cerainly wont be a fillet Steak!!

I've just read the Latest customer JD Power survey & FIAT are 3rd from bottom again. ( A bit of a boost for them they are usually bottom ) . To me this is a great worry . FIAT Fail on Reliability, Build quality,Ride qualiity, Handling & performance --Customers state that 43% of faults are electrical.
This is a company that want to show Chrysler/Dodge /Jeep the way forward when they cant even get their own house in order.
Its amazing that the new FIAT 500 ended up a lowley 79th a pretty crap result for a car being exported to America!! POOR/BAD on comfort, handling,ride quality, braking & performance---performed well on running costs , their again its powered by a sewing machine!!
 
As I posted earlier , my salesman told me once the 10 remaining Patriots in UK are sold/registered....thats it Deleted.....Finished....End of the road for UK Pats......rendered obsolete......Along with my Caliber & Avenger......

Now where's my nearest Skoda dealer?????

Where does he get the figure of 10 left?

There are three sat unregistered in Selkirk, 2 in Coldstream and Saturday in Dumfries I saw 8! That is just in the South of Scotland, surely there are more than that sitting at dealers throughout the UK?

As for Skoda, I used to have a 4x4 Octavia Estate, tuned to 250Bhp it regularly upset BMW drivers who thought it was just another Skoda! Also used to outhandle more than a few performance cars in the twisty bits!:D
 
C/D/J in bed with Fiat, as alluded to elsewhere is a marriage made in hell. It certainly does not fill one with any sort of confidence now or going forward.
To produce a car with a full order book it has to have a silly name like Yeti (Compass won't do) that's a box on wheels looking ugly from the outside and dated on the inside. Quality and reliability with a 6 month waiting list would also help.
 
Can't believe I haven't stayed up to date on this thread.
There is not yet an official date set for the end of production of the Patriot, but my bet is mid-2012 and there will be a Fiat-based car to replace it in 2013.
The Fiat Panda was on the original 5 year plan, but is now strangely absent.
I'm not very familiar with Fiat's lineup and where in the life cycle their products are, but I'm betting the Patriot's replacement will likely be a Fiat Sedici (Suzuki SX4) sourced vehicle. I think the Sedici is due for at least a refresh so it should be an updated platform probably with some tweak from Jeep. It will probably be powered by a fiat sourced na 4 banger with fiat's dual clutch transmission. According to Mike Manley, the patriot replacement will be produced in Italy. If all goes according to plan, there will be an Alfa Romeo on U.S. shores sharing the same platform, but it will be more sporty with a Fiat 1.7L turbo.
 
Mid 2012 sounds good for us.
Jan/Feb we will be upgrading.
The new 2011 is only hitting show rooms in 2 weeks time.
I had a look at carpoint web site and there are still a few hundred 2010's still not sold. So when the 2011's arrive the market will be flooded with the Pat and now 1aud - 1.08us I can see some Jeep specials coming up.
 
One local dealer I went to last week has about 10 4x4 Patriots on the lot. One is an anniversary edition in bronze. They have no FDII's though, which figures because that is what I'm looking for.
 
10 in the UK left seems like nonsense. There are now lots of Patriots in showrooms.



Jeep dont have that many showrooms !!
Well according to Jeep they have at least 50 dealers in the UK and more than that doing after sales/parts/service.

There are 7 dealers in Scotland alone.
 
I've kept out of this thread so far because it steers me into an area that always gets me going. Jeep seem to have engineers that know how to build utility vehicles that are world joint number one with Land Rover, but they have always had a marketing team that couldn't shift ice-cream cones in the bloody Sahara. I really totally despair of them. No offers, just take it or leave it, while other manufacturers are beating the living crap out of them. No freely extended warranties, when other European and Far Eastern manufacturers are giving five and six years and up to a hundred thousand miles. No attempt to beat other 4-by-4s in the emissions battle, when they only need to claw back one more gramme of CO2 ( that's right: one more gram, out of a total of hundred and eighty!) in order to qualify for cheaper road tax in over ten major EU states! No plugging the fact that it's the cheapest 4-by-4 to fill up on the road. No advertising on TV whatsoever, when other manufacturers have been aware of the invention of the television since about the end of the Second World War. Models that make no sense whatsoever in Europe, such as the Commodore or Commander or whatever it's called; it's never ever going to take more than three to five percent of the Range Rover's market.
I really, truly mean it when I say that, if all their marketing team were sacked and replaced by me, Henna my tortoiseshell cat, and Big Owen from our rugby club whom I have never, ever, in twenty five years ever seen stone cold sober, then they could not possibly do worse.
I'd love to know how many Patriots are actually sold each year in just the UK. I mean, why would anyone who wasn't totally pi55ed (English "pi55ed", not American "pi55ed" go out and buy, say, a Rexton, rather than a Pat?
A Daihatsu rather than a Pat? Anything priced between twenty and twenty-five thousand quid rather than a Pat? Why? It's got to be because of marketing and availability of information, hasn't it? We know that there simply isn't anything in the 4-by-4 world on British roads under twenty-five thousand quid that's better value than a Patriot.
Go up to thirty thousand and you get Land Rovers, Volvos, VW's, all way better than a Patriot, sure, but Jayzes, so they ought to be! They're ten thousand quid more expensive!
If I really, really believed that I had a chance of getting through and speaking to an ear that mattered, I'd get on the phone to someone at the top in Michigan and give them the complete earful of all of this; I really would.

Russ O'C
 
I've kept out of this thread so far because it steers me into an area that always gets me going. Jeep seem to have engineers that know how to build utility vehicles that are world joint number one with Land Rover, but they have always had a marketing team that couldn't shift ice-cream cones in the bloody Sahara. I really totally despair of them. No offers, just take it or leave it, while other manufacturers are beating the living crap out of them. No freely extended warranties, when other European and Far Eastern manufacturers are giving five and six years and up to a hundred thousand miles. No attempt to beat other 4-by-4s in the emissions battle, when they only need to claw back one more gramme of CO2 ( that's right: one more gram, out of a total of hundred and eighty!) in order to qualify for cheaper road tax in over ten major EU states! No plugging the fact that it's the cheapest 4-by-4 to fill up on the road. No advertising on TV whatsoever, when other manufacturers have been aware of the invention of the television since about the end of the Second World War. Models that make no sense whatsoever in Europe, such as the Commodore or Commander or whatever it's called; it's never ever going to take more than three to five percent of the Range Rover's market.
I really, truly mean it when I say that, if all their marketing team were sacked and replaced by me, Henna my tortoiseshell cat, and Big Owen from our rugby club whom I have never, ever, in twenty five years ever seen stone cold sober, then they could not possibly do worse.
I'd love to know how many Patriots are actually sold each year in just the UK. I mean, why would anyone who wasn't totally pi55ed (English "pi55ed", not American "pi55ed" go out and buy, say, a Rexton, rather than a Pat?
A Daihatsu rather than a Pat? Anything priced between twenty and twenty-five thousand quid rather than a Pat? Why? It's got to be because of marketing and availability of information, hasn't it? We know that there simply isn't anything in the 4-by-4 world on British roads under twenty-five thousand quid that's better value than a Patriot.
Go up to thirty thousand and you get Land Rovers, Volvos, VW's, all way better than a Patriot, sure, but Jayzes, so they ought to be! They're ten thousand quid more expensive!
If I really, really believed that I had a chance of getting through and speaking to an ear that mattered, I'd get on the phone to someone at the top in Michigan and give them the complete earful of all of this; I really would.

Russ O'C
ROCAL, Never a truer word spoken mate:notworthy:

The level of disinterest in selling their product astounds me and as you say the lack of advertising is truly noticeable by its very absence, in fact I cannot remember the last time I saw a Jeep advert in a motoring magazine let alone on television.

They seem to fail to grasp that to have a customer base, first you have to appeal to those customers, treat them well and in doing so that base will expand as much on the word of those customers as from advertising, but advertising hits a wider audience especially if its a captive one sat in front of the television for hours at a time.

Lets hope you get your chance to have words my friend!:D
 
Any chance of the 3 of us standing for Parliament !!! Between us weve got more Rabbit than Sainsbury's & as for me , I could get my tongue sunburned.....

Unfortunatly , having seen the new Compass in the metal, Land/rover, Kia , Hayundai, Mitsushi, VW & Skoda et.al.have nothing to worry about . Its OK but won't appeal to the majority of 4x4 customers , & the 4x2 version will end up as a waste of space!!

It will end up like the old Compass & to some extent the Patriot , as an also ran wallflower!!

2011 JD Power survey ( Auto Express) Best manufacturer Skoda ---Best car in UK Skoda Superb --2nd best car in UK Skoda Yeti.....speaks for itself!!
 
Seems like every time I click on the television this ad comes on:

They definitely market their brand here in Colorado, hell the weeklong Easter Jeep Safari just came to a close yesterday. So it's not that they don't have marketing people or money for an ad campaign, they just must not value the UK market properly. I looked at Jeep UK's facebook page

http://www.facebook.com/JeepUK

Only 80 people "like" Jeep UK. If you're on facebook, why not like Jeep UK? Let them know why they should care about the uk market.
 
I dont think Jeep UK would take a blind bit of notice of some of the weirdos you get on Facebook ( Lke Me )
 
I dont think Jeep UK would take a blind bit of notice of some of the weirdos you get on Facebook ( Lke Me )
I can't speak for Jeep UK, but a buddy of mine was having problems with his JK that the local dealers were refusing to address. A quick post on Twitter got him a phone call from someone in corporate and everything was handled within a couple of days. Chrysler seems to be very focused on social networking. "Liking" their page may help Jeep realize that there are loyalists across the pond as well. Or it may do nothing. Do you all ever plan any big Jeep events like we have here in the states?
 
That's what's so crazy, MrMischief; the UK four-by-four market is huge by European standards. It's tiny compared to America, but you've got six times our population. No other European country comes close to the numbers of Chelsea Tractors that we have on the roads. It's like Jeep saying that they're no longer interested in Illinois, Ohio and Pennsylvania, or, that they're leaving California and Oregon to the Japanese, 'cos it's too much hassle to contest it. Are in business or aren't they? Perhaps a more apt question is, are they in business seriously or aren't they?

Rocal
 
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