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Yesterday I got a low pressure indication and alarm at 29 PSI on 1 tire even though 2 other tires showed the same pressure and no alarm. (The 4th tire was 30 PSI.) After the tires warmed a little I was getting the alarm at 30 PSI, again with 2 other tires showing the same pressure and no alarm (4th tire at 31). The warning did not go off after turning the engine off 2 or 3 times. I added air to 32 PSI and the alarm went off, and later the pressure settled to 31 pounds in all tires and no alarm.

Does the alarm trigger at a specific number - say, 28 PSI - or is it a difference among the tires?

Also, is there any disadvantage to keeping the pressure a little higher - say, 35 PSI - to save a little gasoline?

Thanks in advance!
 
I am curious to know the alarm trip thresholds too. My Low Pressure warned about the driver side tires being at 30 psi. It was a cool day and the driver side was windward without sun. First time the patriot has been so cool. The tires looked fine. I drove and after about 20 minutes, the warning disappeared.
 
I have the 4x4 with the tire & wheel package, Goodyears. The sticker on the door calls for 35 PSI on all four wheels. What does your door sticker ask for?
 
Yesterday I got a low pressure indication and alarm at 29 PSI on 1 tire even though 2 other tires showed the same pressure and no alarm. (The 4th tire was 30 PSI.) After the tires warmed a little I was getting the alarm at 30 PSI, again with 2 other tires showing the same pressure and no alarm (4th tire at 31). The warning did not go off after turning the engine off 2 or 3 times. I added air to 32 PSI and the alarm went off, and later the pressure settled to 31 pounds in all tires and no alarm.

Does the alarm trigger at a specific number - say, 28 PSI - or is it a difference among the tires?

Also, is there any disadvantage to keeping the pressure a little higher - say, 35 PSI - to save a little gasoline?

Thanks in advance!
For almost all driving conditions, certainly the on-road ones, it's best to keep the tires near their MAX ratings. Higher pressure means less tire wear, more MPG, and more pounds per square inch in the tire foot print which means better traction on ice, snow, and rain covered streets. They are also less likely to roll off the rims in sudden violent maneuvers, like going into a corner too fast.

Some people like lower pressure for a softer ride. This is OK but you pay for it.

In rare cases like driving over deep sand, or mud you might want more of a "snowshoe" effect with less pounds per square inch ( a bigger foot print) in which case you would let the air out to very low pressure, but air them back up again as soon as you can.
 
Seem to go off at 30 or below. We were having 90deg days and 60deg nights, so ours would trigger every morning and be fine by lunch until we had a chance to find air. Only one would ever blink (and it wasn't always the same one), so maybe it doesn't register multiple "offenses".
 
First off let me say I am NO tire expert but I don't believe you want to run the tires near max unless you have your Pat loaded down (in terms of weight). We got our Pat a couple of weeks ago and the first cold day we had, the light came on. I ran to the dealership to ask what the problem was as they all read somewhere between 30 and 31.5. He told me to up them to 32, sure enough the light went out. He told me it wouldn't hurt a thing to go to 35 but not to the stated max on the tires (the factory Good-for-a-years). The stated max on the side of the tires is 44 BUT (!) that also take into account the load capability of the Pat. If yours is about as empty as ours, would might want to consider staying around 35 or so. Or, if you plan on a more weighted-down Pat, then by all means go higher.
OR...go ask a Goodyear dealer what he recommends on your Pat with your GVW as is. (Gross Vehicle Weight)
I'll try to stop by our local Goodyear guy and ask his recommendations and report back.
 
Run the tire at the pressure it says on the door jamb. You can run them higher but that's your call.

I believe the pressure threshold is 29 pounds. My sisters goes off all the time in the winter..
 
I'm running 40 PSI in my All terrain tires that came with the tire and wheel group option with my PAT. I see the door says 35 PSI as recommended but I've also seen the somewhat disturbing relationship between the car manufacturers and oil companies, and how getting the best MPG isn't a top priority. I run them high when it's just me in the PAT, and I bring them down to 35 PSI when I have a good sized load. With 40 PSI the PAT does right a bit lighter, but slightly more rough. I'll take a boost in MPG's before I take a smooth ride.
 
There's nothing wrong with that philosophy at all. My Liberty gets $H!t gas mileage anyway so I run my A/T's at 34PSI which is 1 pound above the manufacturer recommended pressure. The max these tires go is 44PSI but I've never needed that much air in there for any load.
 
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Thanks for your views and advice all around. I generally run with my tires somewhat higher than minimum for greater efficiency, but in this case was leaving the pressure "as delivered" for a while. The door calls for 35, so I am not sure why it was delivered with such low pressure, unless they wanted to make it feel extra soft. I value mileage over softness and will likely go to about 36-37. By the way, the weather has just turned cold and so the experience of others in this thread in that respect is likely what I am experiencing as well.

Thanks for your contributions.
 
Thanks for your views and advice all around. I generally run with my tires somewhat higher than minimum for greater efficiency, but in this case was leaving the pressure "as delivered" for a while. The door calls for 35, so I am not sure why it was delivered with such low pressure, unless they wanted to make it feel extra soft. I value mileage over softness and will likely go to about 36-37. By the way, the weather has just turned cold and so the experience of others in this thread in that respect is likely what I am experiencing as well.

Thanks for your contributions.
I start my car its all at 31 32 and gets up to 35 after I have been driving for a little while. Service guy said I should be at 35 cold pressure, what does that mean? Does it mean I need to be at 35 when its reading 31 ish? or 35 while driving? Im going to assume it means before my rig is out in the sun and going 75. Because that changes things.
 
Does it mean I need to be at 35 when its reading 31 ish?
Yes.

I have read some tire manufacturers even get specific enough to say to check your tire on a morning when it is 60-75 outside and before the sun has warmed the ground the tires sit on becuase even that will raise the pressure inside.
That's pretty anal.

I bought one of those emergency tire pumps that run off of your cigarette lighter so I could always check my pressure and adjust it before having to drive anywhere and raise the internal pressure.

Jim
 
Precicion in tire pressure

No tire expert either, but motorcycle tire pressure is very important guess you know why! So here is an article concerning the issue. As a motocyclist and car driver, I follow these recommandations.

«Determining Best Tire Pressures

You'll get a lot of opinions on what tire pressure to run, but the correct tire pressure for you is not a matter of polling other rider's opinion. Here are the basics you'll need to decide for yourself.

Start with the bike manufacturer's recommendation in the owners manual or under-seat sticker. This is the number they consider to be the best balance between handling, grip and tire wear. Further, if you're running alloy wheels on poor pavement, consider adding 2 psi to the recommended tire pressure just to reduce the likelihood of pothole damage. Just as you would for a car, increase the pressure 2 psi or so for sustained high speed operation (or 2-up riding) to reduce rolling friction and casing flexing. Check your tire pressure regularly as they say.

In order to get optimum handling a tire has to get to its optimum temperature which is different for each brand of tire. Most of us don't have the equipment needed to measure tire temperature directly so we measure it indirectly by checking tire pressure since tire pressure increases with tire temperature. Tire temperature is important to know because too much flexing of the casing of an under-inflated tire for a given riding style and road will result in overheating resulting in less than optimum grip. Over-pressurizing a tire will reduce casing flexing and prevent the tire from getting up to the optimum operating temperature and performance again suffers. Sliding and spinning the tires also increase tire temperatures from friction heating.

A technique for those wanting to get the most out of their tires on the street is to use the 10/20% rule.

First check the tire pressure when the tire is cold. Then take a ride on your favorite twisty piece of road. Then, measure the tire pressure immediately after stopping. If the pressure has risen less than 10% on the
front or 20% on the rear, the rider should remove air from the tire. So for example, starting at a front tire pressure of 32.5 psi should bring you up to 36 psi hot. Once you obtain this pressure increase for a given rider, bike, tire, road and road temperature combination, check the tire pressure again while cold and record it for future reference.

Each manufacturer is different. Each tire model is different. A tire design that runs cooler needs to run a lower pressure (2-3 psi front) to get up to optimum temperature. The rear tire runs hotter than the front tire, road and track. So the rear tire cold-to-hot increase is greater. Dropping air pressure has the additional side effect of scrubbing more rubber area.

When I used the tire pressures recommended by Ducati (32.5F/36R) for my 916 on my favorite road, I got exactly 10/20% on a set of Bridgestone BT-012SS. So I guess I'm an average rider and the BT-012SS runs at an average operating temperature compared to other brands»


I guess one could use these fundamentals on car tire pressure also.

By the way I was also told at the dealer to use Nitrogen to inflate the tires (they have such a pump). Pressure will be stable as nitrogen doesn't heat up as much (or at all?) from friction and movement). You'll get a better reading on your monitoring system
 
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Thanks, patriotpierre and others, for the information. As it turns out, part of the answer seems to be the slightly low pressure, and part is the use of nitrogen. I paid for the latter, but it was not put in. Apparently it responds better to changes in temperature by having less fluctuation in pressure. I now have 35 PSI of nitrogen and will see how that works. If anything, I will add a couple of PSI and compare the ride and mileage to what I now have.
 
Our tire pressure system has been working good.....then September showed up and it has been nothing but trouble. All four tires keep losing tire pressure with the rear passenger side the worst. The TPM is correct, but I think the stems are leaking air in all tires. Where the stem passes through the rim is where the problem is I think. We are driving a 2007 Limited Patriot 4X4. The tires are firestones (garbage). It is going to the tire shop to get checked out tomorrow. I think the dealer is in for a long run of probs with this sytem.
 
My Wrangler SR-As showed 31psi all round (pardon the pun) on the EVIC from day one. The low pressure alarm went off once on a cool day for one tire. Recently the Patriot had its first oil change. The dude was filling each tire for a few seconds each. I asked what is the recommended pressure and he said 35psi. It sure made a difference in the steering. Much more nimble now. probably a tad better gas mileage as well.
 
Hi Amy,

When your tires heat up from running, the air inside expands and the pressure increases. Since this is a variable, it is best to set the pressure at the required pressure when the tires are cold. The manufacturer knows the pressure will increase when driving, but they take that into account and you should set the pressure when the tires are cool. Match the pressure listed on the plaque inside your driver door for the tires you have.
 
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