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I know there are those that say the Patriot it's not a real jeep, or that it's not a real 4x4 because it has no transfer case and lacks in the power (hp/torque) department.

I say the answer is a resounding "ABSOLUTELY!". Yes it is a great little 4 wheel drive. Here's why:

Here in the atlanta metro area, he have been having some very unseasonably cold temperatures for the last few weeks. Wednesday the area had alot of sleet/freezing rain which turned into ICE on everything (roads, sidewalks, grass, trees).

My commute home from work (25 miles) usually takes 45-60 minutes. Well, this past wednesday it took me over 4 hours! The building I work in closed the top of the parking deck as it was icy and there is a hill coming off the top that was icey as well.

Wednesday alone, there were over 1000 accidents reported with many more slide offs not reported along with vehicles simple abandoned along sides of roads. Highway ramps were closed, sometimes for hours at a time). I'm told by a friend who slide on ICE and hit someone that the 911 operator instructed them that if the accident was not serious, to exchange insurance information and file a report later at the precinct. This was of course after hours of waiting for an officer who never showed up and calling back.

The county alone where I live in had over 300 accidents and near 200 slide offs reported. Also, local news were reporting that one stretch of interstate had 200 accidents! My commute takes me on alot of road with hills and curves, often combined.

I had co-workers tell me that the the areas they lived in were so bad they parked their vehicles and walked 1 mile home.

The rain coming down on already ice covered roads were making driving very difficult for all. A friend told me that he saw a news story of an guy in a ford F150 FX4 was spinning all 4 wheels in an icey covered gas station parking lot. He also mentioned that the driver wound up sliding and hitting a curb and popping a tire off the rim.

My little jeep patriot 4x4 handled the ice very well! I did alot of wobbling but never slid out of control. While on a 4 lane road approaching a curve to the left, I saw a truck off the road on the right up in the grass that jumped the curb. About 10 feet in front of it was a car facing the truck also that jumped the curb and was in the grass. My little patriot that could wobbled alot but never lost traction completely and negotiated the curve as well as any vehicle could have. The car behind me was not so lucky, and ran straight up over the curb between the truck and car already off the road. Good thing they didn't hit either vehicle. It was almost as if they intended to park between the existing truck and car.


I will note that my Patriot is an 09 limited with FDII (i was in 4 lock, not off road mode) with traction control enabled. I am also running the stock good year wrangler SRA tires.

LATE EDIT - one more thing, in typical southern weather fashion, the next day highs were in low 50s and it all melted. :pepper:

- Dan M
 
Yep, no doubt about it. The Patriot with ESP, traction control and abs is just about the best car you can have on ice, snow, and loose surfaces. It's lighter in weight and more agile than most 4x4's. It's lack of a transfer case is actually an advantage because it allows for individual wheel control much more readily.

With a patriot you can have three wheels on absolutely slick ice and if just one wheel has a little bit of traction it will pull you off.

It may not have the torque for really steep hills and off-road obstacles like. say the Wrangler, but for winter driving....
 
We got hit by that storm in Chattanooga too, saw about 4 wrecks just driving to work. I'm a police dispatcher so got allot of calls about wrecks when I finally got to work. Even had a couple cops slide into poles. My Patriot did just fine, had it in 4x4 and didn't slip a single time. I even have those crappy firestone affinitys still on it.
 
I will note that my Patriot is an 09 limited with FDII (i was in 4 lock, not off road mode) with traction control enabled.

For us noobes, could you explain what you meant by in 4 wheel lock but not in "off road mode"?

Was this with four wheel lock on and ESP on; or was the ESP off?

Nooblet minds want to know
 
With four wheel lock on, and the shift in the "low" position the car goes into "off-road" mode. The engine readjusts timing for maximum torque, the traction control becomes a bit more aggressive, and hill descent mode is enabled. This is a pretty good mode for driving off road, but not for driving in ice and snow.

For ice you would like the car in either awd or four wheel lock, but not in low. You don't want to encourage wheel spin, which means you want to stay in drive because higher torque could cause unneeded spin.

For going up hills and in deeper snow where you want to keep your speed up, it's best to put the ESP in partial off. The normal fully on ESP mode will cut your throttle if it detects wheel spin or skid on all four wheels. Partial off whill not chop throttle, but will still maintain skid control and traction control,
 
I was there in Marrietta back in 1973 when the whole city iced up and didn't thaw for five days. The electric utility folks tried to fix downed powerlines for the first few hours and then gave up. They'd fix a downed line and then a tree fifty feet down the same stretch would break it again. We lost our electricity the first night about 11 PM and got it back about three hours later and didn't lose it again. Some people were without power for most of the five days.

Back then I was driving a RWD open differential 1965 Pontiac LeMans, 326 CI V8 and four speed Muncie. We didn't go out for the five days.

I expect the Patriot FDI or FDII with Traction Control would be a good vehicle for it.
 
Ive got to say, Ive had nothing but great luck with mine in the snow (FWD w/ Wrangler SRAs), but Id have to say the most comfortable ive ever been in snow was in my 92 Talon. Of course, if my Patriot had the AWD or 4WD then it would definitely one up the Talon. Something about that low center of gravity and AWD that made that Talon a blast to drive on snow and ice!
 
My Patriot had trouble mounting a 4 inch high curb! WOOO Amazing offroad abilities....

I wanted to drive up the gutter, I slowed right down and slowly put my front left wheel up teh gutter, that was ok. Then My right front and left rear tried to go up at the same time. Started to accelerate engine made a noise but nothing really happened. Put a bit more power down and my front left wheel which was already up the curb began to spin on the little bit of gravel on the grass. The other 3 wheels were still on the road and it took a fair bit of effort to get it up.

I swear my FWD sedan drove up gutters easier then the Patriot.
 
When climbing curbs it's best to turn the ESP at least partially off if not all the way off. If you apply power and the car doesn't move the ESP system sometimes limits the throttle respnnse because it thinks you are bogged down and it's trying to protect the engine and drive train.

Your best bet is with the FDII 4x4 lock on, gearshift in low, and esp off.
 
@JeepFan

Yet another nooblet question. How can you turn ESP partially off?

I thought ESP was like being Pregnant. Either you is or you ain't.

Clearly I have much to learn about this Jeep stuff. :)
 
@JeepFan

Yet another nooblet question. How can you turn ESP partially off?

I thought ESP was like being Pregnant. Either you is or you ain't.

Clearly I have much to learn about this Jeep stuff. :)
The behavior of ESP depends on whether one has the standard Front Wheel Drive (4X2 or FWD), FDI (4X4), or FDII (4X4 Trail Rated) packages. It also varys with vehicle speed. It also may vary with the year. The FDII package has more stuff and functionality than FDI, including functionality which may not be wanted at times. The FDII package costs more in dollars and gets less gas mileage than FDI.

ESP has two operating modes for Front Wheel Drive Patriots and three modes for 4X4/AWD/4WD Patriots.

The behavior and conditions under which the various modes work with the various drive choices is pretty involved. You can download a PDF of an owners manual and read up on it.

http://www.jeep.com/en/owners/manuals/

Hope this helps and Merry Christmas.
 
we had black ice the other morning here in eastern kentucky, due to melting snow..there is a very steep hill and no one could make it up cars, suv,s trucks were parked everywhere up the hill a fellow in a range rover (newer model) 4x4 of course was in front of me i gave him plenty of room to make his go at the icy hill he made it as far as it would go then parked it to the side., i passed him by at least 3 car lengths and then settled our fwd patriot to the side then turned around and went back down the hill and went around the other way..

you guy,s should have seen the look on his face as i cruzed passed him and then turned around and went past him going down the hill---lol
 
DM6156, wow that sounds like one horrific storm. Glad you made it home safely. Thanks for sharing. What you said:
I will note that my Patriot is an 09 limited with FDII (i was in 4 lock, not off road mode) with traction control enabled. I am also running the stock good year wrangler SRA tires. This is the mode I use also while on snow. We have had some snow in Pgh, but nothing severe yet. I only used the 4WD once and that was to get out of my parking area, which I now realize I could have got out without it. This is my first winter with this jeep and I am learning more each day. I am slowly getting used to it. I drive it in the winter the same way I drove my little ford escort - slowly! I have found the added weight to be quite an asset. The Patriot has been very steady so far. Hope you never have to experience such a bad storm again.
 
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It is rare for the atlanta metro area to get snow, but common to get freezing rain, sleet and ice. The good news is that it usually lasts less than 48 hours, rarely exceeding 24 hours. this was no exception, it was 50s the next day! The county I live in is north of atlanta and is usually the cut off line for snow/ice as it is the foothills of the mountains. The offical county moto is "Where metro meets the mountains". Usually it gets a mixture with the south end more ice/rain and the north end more ice/snow. The counties just north of me usually get a few significant snow falls a year. While the far northern country get snow often.

That is one of the things people don't realize about atlanta. While it is in the south, it is still very close the mountains. I can trout fish in Atlanta city limits! The chattahoochee river is designated trout water. During summer the water is often to hot for the trout to survive, but during winter a section of it is delayed harvest.

I remember 2 years ago we had 2" of snow, all gone the next day. I have not see the ice this bad in the few years I have lived here.

- Dan M
 
DM6156. Really appreciate your Pat in the ice report. Just about ready to pull the trigger on a 2011 Patriot but torn whether to get the FD II or FD I. Live on top of a mountain in Rabun County with a 10% grade. I see you live in Canton, do you actually use the low range on the FD II often? BTW, last time I fished the DH on the Chatooga, landed a 23" brownie, easy 6lb fish.
 
my patriot turns into a taxi when it snows. my wife gave 3 coworkers rides home last week when we got snow and ice... with the 4x4 lock in and the A/T tires, i cant even tell im in the snow. Great traction !
 
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