I recommend you go to carcostcanada.com . This site gives you the invoice prices for any new vehicles you may be looking at. It costs $35, but you can build 7 different vehicles. I chose different vehicles, and equipped each with every single option that may come on the vehicle, then, when I'm shopping around, i can whip out the list and see what the invoice price is for each option. I had a dealer from Toronto email me afterwards offering to sell me a Patriot at invoice plus a service fee of $225. It's easier to negotiate up from invoice price rather than down from sticker. I think it gives you a little more control.