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Can't understand everyone's low mileage....

I've had my patriot now for 997 miles. I tanked it up at a gas station right across from my dealer and have been keeping records since. With 4 fills in the tank my overall average is 33.6mpg. Don't believe me? Here's the numbers.

Total miles: 997
Total gallons: 29.67 (4 fill-ups, 7.42gal, 5.3gal, 8.45gal, 8.5gal)

It's a true mix of miles with everything from stoplights on every corner to open Interstate and everything in between. My daily commute is 16 miles one way and almost 50/50 city and interstate.

Tank by tank it has gone up. First check at second fill came to 26.8mpg. My dealer tells me it might even improve beyond that since it is still collecting data and tuning the valves and injectors. I'll be shocked if it does because I am happy with these numbers.

I have a 08 Sport 4x4 with manual 5spd. If that's the best the CVT can do, I'm jumpin' up and down and soooooo very grateful I got the 5spd! Nothing good ever came from an automagic in my book. I don't care what new tech they used. Nothing beats a clutch for economy.
 
Discussion starter · #23 ·
I bought mine so I could reset the annoying Check Engine Light that comes on randomly on my girlfriend's Jetta, plus of course to play with in the Patriot.

Yes, ben, they were on the closest I could get to a level, straight stretch of freeway.
 
Could someone do me a favour and determine the diameter of the rear view mirror linkage.
The nickel is taller than the linkage.

Sorry for straying OT mitakuuluu, but you brought up the ScanGuage.. :)

re: Low Gas Mileage

I am optimistically equating my low avg of 20.5 to the fact that I am 98% in town under 50mph in the heat of summer. Would seem to make sense.

Just that the sticker said 24/27 and I would be happy with cracking 22 in town.


Jim
 
Discussion starter · #25 ·
I haven't done any tests yet to verify (it isn't that hot here right now) but I think the Patriot's A/C is death to gas mileage based on a couple of tanks last week. Like in the 15-20% hit range.

Also, the 2008 sticker for the 2.4L 4x2 CVT says 21/25, which IMHO is more realistic for the city side of things. And if you're running 70-75 mph on the freeway, for the highway side too.

I did a bunch of running around town this morning and most 'trips' showed 21-23mpg... a couple instantaneous peaks of 35-40mpg while holding speed but generally in the 25mpg range while going from light to light.
 
but I think the Patriot's A/C is death to gas mileage based on a couple of tanks last week. Like in the 15-20% hit range.
Feels about right.
I can really feel the drag on the Pat under 25-30 with it on also. Especially when I let off the gas suddenly.

Also, the 2008 sticker for the 2.4L 4x2 CVT says 21/25, which IMHO is more realistic for the city side of things.
Sounds about right.
Aren't window mpg stickers stricter now or some sort?

I did a bunch of running around town this morning and most 'trips' showed 21-23mpg
Yup, seems bought right again according to my experiences.
In another thread I mentioned the hellacious wind noise I get from the air brakes masquerading as window deflectors I have. I wouldn't put it past those as having something to do with my bad mileage also. They can't be doing good things for the aerodynamics.

I bought mine so I could reset the annoying Check Engine Light that comes on randomly on my girlfriend's Jetta,
Do you find yourself needing to work the ScanGuage often while driving?
Since the rear view mirror is so far away I was worried about having to reach it constantly.

Thanks,
Jim
 
Discussion starter · #27 ·
I like where I have it so far, I can play with the buttons with my left hand while seated normally. If you want to change from 'gauge' (set to instantaneous readout of MPG, RPM, MPH, and Throttle Position on mine) to 'trip'/'tank'/'today' mode, then yes, you will want it close by.

I wouldn't put it up under or over the mirror, I think that it'd be too far outside the normal field of view to make it helpful, and an unsafe bend and reach if you wanted to change modes.. the other spot I considered was right on top of the current gauge cluster, but I didn't want it in a spot where it'd be attractive to all the meth-head tweakers roaming this town looking for stuff to steal.

The new 2008 MPG tests have several new components to more accurately reflect real-world conditions, including a high-speed highway (80mph) segment, a cold-start city piece in 20F, and A/C on for both highway and city.

I don't know about your air deflectors... intuitively you'd think that they'd screw with airflow and hurt your MPG a bit... and given the results I saw drafting off the semis last night, the Patriot is affected bigtime by wind resistance... but then again, how much difference would a little air deflector make?
 
. but then again, how much difference would a little air deflector make?
That's what I would hope, but man you should here the noise these things make. There is obviouslty a LOT of wind resistance going on.

I wouldn't put it up under or over the mirror, I think that it'd be too far outside the normal field of view to make it helpful,
Wouldn't reading it be as easy as glancing in the rear view?
Are the letters too small from that distance?
Could you duct tape it up there for a day, give it a shot, and let us know?
:pepper: :)

Thanks,
Jim
 
MrSensible - The FuelEconomy.gov numbers for the 4x4 Manual Patriot are 24MPG combined, or 22 City, 27HWY. Is this what your sticker said?

If you are getting 33MPG, you are either driving all highway with no wind or speed changes, or you are just plain lucky!

Are you sure you didn't miss a tank fillup? What do you get on just -one- tank with the Trip Odometer?

The only reason I'm questioning this is, I haven't seen those numbers even from the 4x2 Manual Patriot members, which should be even greater.

However most of them were 2007s. I saw that the 2008's have lower RPM's in 5th gear, so I wonder if they changed the gear ratios.. and a result of better MPG?
 
Discussion starter · #33 ·
I had to go into the office twice today, so figured I'd play with the MPG on the second run.

I drove 'normally' the first trip. It's 4.2 miles, slightly downhill (200ft elevation loss), with several stoplights. Average speed around 20mph, and I can usually time the lights so I only hit one or two. I consider light timing a normal driving practice as I've been doing it for a couple years already.

1a. To office - 24.4 mpg (hit two lights)
1b. Back from office - 23.2 mpg (hit one light)

Overall 8.4 miles, 23.8mpg, average speed 22mph, max 42mph (going downhill)

About twenty minutes later, I went back. Did a couple things to improve MPG, including putting it in neutral on the downhill bits and dropping into '5' or '6' with the Autostick anytime I got above 18 and 24 mph, respectively. Acceleration from a stop with usual CVT gearing until 18 mph.

2a. To office - 29.6 mpg (!!!) (hit two lights)
2b. Back home - 27.8 mpg (hit two lights)

Overall - 28.7 mpg, average speed 19mph, max 48mph (coasting in 'N' down a hill)

Pretty awesome gain by doing a couple little things :D
 
...It's 4.2 miles, slightly downhill (200ft elevation loss), ...
<Mini-thread hijack> A 200' elevation shift is a slight difference? Damn. We're lucky to see a 12' change across the entire Parish/County. </thread hijack >

Great info, by the way.
 
Discussion starter · #35 ·
Looks like my MPG readings using the Scangauge up to today have been a little bit off. According to the manual, the Scangauge needs to be calibrated based on actual usage from fill to fill, and today I filled for the second time since acquiring the SG.

The SG had reported that I had used 6.6gal on the last tank over 180.2mi, for a MPG of 27.3, seemed very low to me as the driving I've been doing has been very MPG-conscious. Used the same pump and auto-shutoff so the fill should be accurate, and it only drank 6.0gal. This gave me a MPG of about 30, which is in line with what I had been expecting as well as what I've seen for the previous couple tanks.

I input this into the SG and it calculated a conversion factor of about -9% for my Patriot, so I expect the figures I am reporting from now on will be more accurate reflections of my real-world usage.

Anyhow, did some quick tests with AC vs. no AC this afternoon on a nice flat stretch of freeway.

At 55mph, MPG was holding steady at 34.8mpg; with AC this dropped to 30-31, about a 4-5MPG loss, or in terms of percentage, 10-12%.

At a high speed of 75mph, the AC caused a much slighter loss, of 2.5MPG on average (from 27.5 to 25). In terms of percentage the loss was about the same, 8-10% or so.

In town, I noticed drops of about 2-3MPG, from the low 20s into the high teens on the two quick runs I did.
 
Discussion starter · #37 ·
Also, I was on the freeway earlier for a bit and drafted behind a big triple-trailer for several minutes, reset the trip meter at the start...

6 miles (got impatient with going slow)
speed 56-59 mph
'trip' MPG 41.9!

Getting better MPG in the Patriot (for a couple miles, anyway) than a lot of folks get in their hybrids :D
 
Discussion starter · #38 · (Edited)
My running average (last 3 fills) is up to 30mpg even now. :pepper:

The Scangauge has helped a ton, just letting me know how the Patriot wants to be driven... rather than guessing as I was before. My first couple of tanks with the Pat were around 26mpg, which is nice, but not great... having the SG (or, really, any realtime MPG feedback gauge) has helped me get an extra 5mpg out of it...:smiley_thumbs_up:

The sticker on the 2008 2.4L 4x2 CVT says 21 city, 25 highway; 24 overall... I kinda panicked when I saw that at the dealer, as I had been expecting to get at least the 22/27 promised by the 2007 figures..

Would guess that I'm now getting about 25 in town and 32 on the highway for a combined 30mpg, about a 25% increase over 2008 EPA :banana:
 
I have the 4x4 Off-Road package and average about 22.5 mpg. I took it out to the desert mostly highway and actually did worse mileage on pure highway at about 70 mph - about 20 mpg. There was some hills, up to 4000 ft then back down to the desert floor. Mostly kept A/C off with open windows (I'm nuts). I wonder if the Pat's mileage really dips at high speed -- the coefficient of drag has to be high on it due to the sharply angled windshield and chopped off rear. The hills could have affected it too.
 
Discussion starter · #40 · (Edited)
GB1, your CVT2L is geared differently than my CVT2... I'm only turning 2250 @ 70mph, whereas I'd bet you're up in the upper 2k range... the windows down is also killer... can't say exactly what your best MPG speed would be but due to the different gearing it is probably lower than mine, maybe in the 50mph range?

I did a 225 mile trip today, with about 60% freeway (55-70mph), 30% rural roads (30-60mph), and 10% city (0-30mph). 29.7mpg for the day (CAL). I am happy with that as I was unable to draft off of any trucks due to the lack of traffic (darn, ha!). The Patriot seems to do a little better for MPG on the freeway as compared to the rural roads, which is the opposite of other cars I've had. The 35-50mph band for my Patriot just isn't particularly MPG-friendly....sweet spot is between 55-65. Then again, my old Elantra got best MPG at about 78mph, lol.

As an aside, the 120 miles prior to this were all city, average speed of 19mph, and I averaged 26.3mpg (CAL) for the fill.

I am still playing with the calibration on the Scangauge but am comfortable saying that the fill factor is somewhere between -5 and -13%. I expect that I'll settle on a factor in the -10% range eventually.

From now on I'll make notes as mpg (SG) and mpg (CAL), where SG is a Scangauge reading and CAL is calculated from gallons to fill / mileage traveled.
 
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