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Ive been lurking here for the past couple of days. Some nice rigs here.
Im from South Africa and interesting in purchasing a 2010 Pat.

The bad news is that we only have the FD1 and the CRD has just been discontinued. Most of the spec is nothing like the stuff I see in the US cars.

no woofer in the rear right turnk area, no trunk speakers. a little sad.
But its not a deal breaker. Ill be doing a custom setup anyways.Would of been great in the mean time though.

However heres the thing. Lots of you guys use the pat for trails. I would like to do the same.

For the same money I can buy the following. I have also driven them all.


2007 5.7 Hemi Ltd Commander.(awesome ride)
2007 JK Sahara Unlimited CRD (nice car a bit agricultural, but its a jeep)
2004 KJ 3.7 Renegade (half the price of a new pat)
2010 Patriot 2.4 CVT (very impressed)


My fiance has been ragging me for not knowing what I want. I blame it on we, but really its me.

I would like a full time 4x4 with low range (hello JK-KJ-XD) But for the money of a Pat new. its a lot of car for the bucks. It drives really well on the road, but I need to know that it will hold its own offroad with the FD1. I dont mean rock crawing, but more gravel roads with maybe a wash away or 2.

What ponders me is the ground clearance on Patriot is actually higher than the New liberty.

I have a couple of dirtbikes that ill need to tow. Dealer recommended the mopar setup. I guess its the only really approved setup here for the Patriot.
They are also offering some free mopar accessories... but there is not much im interested in... besides a lift and some BFGs ;)

Anyways.. Lovely forum... leave your comments in the box BEEELOWWW :smiley_thumbs_up:
 
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welcome

FDI should suit you fine for light trail usage,
you can always add some upgrades to make it that much more capable,
First i would recomend better tires,
can also add skid plates, oil cooled and higher Amp alternator,
aside from 1" difference those 3 are key elements to an FDII that can be added.
as for myself,
I take my Pat on the beach, lots of gravel/dirt roads, and some logging roads,
havent had a problem yet,
have an 07 with 72k miles on it
 
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Any aftermarket accessories will kill the warranty. This includes skid plates and rock sliders. Anything non MOPAR is the problem. Im not too sure how much the export cars differ to the local US cars.

I though about getting a set of offroad wheels with proper tires. That way I can swop them when I hit the trails.

Is the only difference between the FD1 and FD2 the Lower CVT gear?
 
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Hi stev0, being an ex Cape Townian I enjoy my Patriot. Yes, before I came to Canada I looked at the Patriot there and then I purchased my Patriot over here and there are a few differences. The SA models are limited to options. Will you be transporting your dirt bikes with the Patriot or with a trailer?
 
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stev0 said:
Any aftermarket accessories will kill the warranty. This includes skid plates and rock sliders. Anything non MOPAR is the problem. Im not too sure how much the export cars differ to the local US cars.

Is the only difference between the FD1 and FD2 the Lower CVT gear?
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That really shouldn't be the case, unless they don't follw the same "onyl if you can prove it caused the problem" rule automakers have to follow here in the U.S. Skid plates should NOT void a warrantay...I would double check that because that just sounds rediculous! Patirot skid plates in no way alter any drivetrain operation, and only add about 100 pounds of sprung weight like another passenger in a seat would, oh and maybe inconveineant for mechanics to work on underside of engine or transmission should that need ever arise.

Doesn't it also strike you as odd the stock Patriot also has the same clearance but better approach and departure than the Commander? Yet some places and people still claim that Patriot's stock 8" of ground clearance (9" with FD2) is supposedly not as good as the average SUVs 7-8"??? Makes me wonder how many reviewers actually passed elementary math, or wirting since there are basically only a handful of "professional" reviews for the Patriot, yet two biased negative reviews are constanly reused and misquoted all over the place (TTAC.com - "TheTruthAboutCars" is full of elephant-dung, for example- same waste but some people will play with it because it's from a different animal! :p).

Other differences between FD1 and FD2 besides factory installed skid plates, and extra 1" of clearance from "off-road tuned" springs, and low CVT range is supposed to be extra sealing underneath, a little rerouting of some cabling and drivetrain vents (whatever those are, marketing terms, lol?), heavy duty cooling and what might have been different ESP programming for off-road us and but you can turn ESP fully off and spin away.
 
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If you are thinking of a Patriot still, make sure trailor and bikes are less than 2000 pounds (907kg I think) total. If you need more towing power than that, than you might need a vehicle with more than 4 cylinders.

JK may not be bad, but if you like the Patriot, go for it if it fits YOUR needs best. It's great on and off paved roads. Sure it's not a Wrangler Renegade, but it is a better daily driver than a Wrangler and if you scrape anything it will likley be some minor scrapes on the crossmembers :doh:
 
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AntDragon said:
That really shouldn't be the case, unless they don't follw the same "onyl if you can prove it caused the problem" rule automakers have to follow here in the U.S. Skid plates should NOT void a warrantay...I would double check that because that just sounds rediculous! Patirot skid plates in no way alter any drivetrain operation, and only add about 100 pounds of sprung weight like another passenger in a seat would, oh and maybe inconveineant for mechanics to work on underside of engine or transmission should that need ever arise.

Doesn't it also strike you as odd the stock Patriot also has the same clearance but better approach and departure than the Commander? Yet some places and people still claim that Patriot's stock 8" of ground clearance (9" with FD2) is supposedly not as good as the average SUVs 7-8"??? Makes me wonder how many reviewers actually passed elementary math, or wirting since there are basically only a handful of "professional" reviews for the Patriot, yet two biased negative reviews are constanly reused and misquoted all over the place (TTAC.com - "TheTruthAboutCars" is full of elephant-dung, for example- same waste but some people will play with it because it's from a different animal! :p).

Other differences between FD1 and FD2 besides factory installed skid plates, and extra 1" of clearance from "off-road tuned" springs, and low CVT range is supposed to be extra sealing underneath, a little rerouting of some cabling and drivetrain vents (whatever those are, marketing terms, lol?), heavy duty cooling and what might have been different ESP programming for off-road us and but you can turn ESP fully off and spin away.
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They might look at it (if that mod caused the problem we wont cover it)that way. They will void the Rust warranty if I fit an aftermarket sunroof by webasto(they fit the same roof in the factory before delivery) Its the silly little stuff.

If obviously like the 2 inch lift and some other wheels.

Strangely our cars arent rated for towing the same way as the cars in the states. I wondered about the transmission cooler and so on(sure it must get hot under towing), they just look at me as to say... huh whats that?

The trailer and bikes would probably be around 700kg (dirtbikes)
 
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Different ratings you say? Is that why some across the ocean try stuff like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWE5e_H47MI

I beleive without the extra heavy duty engine/transmisison cooling and more powerful 140amp alternator, the Patriot is U.S. rated for 1000lbs (about 500kg)..maybe over there it might be considered ok?
 
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Towing increase the engine temperature and therefore one need to fit the additional oil cooler, something that should have been standard issue. The more weight you tow, the harder the engine will work. 1500lbs (750kg) without additional cooler or 2000lbs (1000kg) with the cooler. You should be OK with just a trailer and dirt bikes without the additional oil cooler, but I will recommend it anyway. Mine was fitted long before fitting the hitch receiver to help with cooling down the engine oil while driving in traffic.
 
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The CRD has been discontinued. Apparently the VW sourced engine is just to expensive and pushes the patriots price up that of the liberty sport.

They did come back to me and confirmed that its only 900kg unbraked and 1500kg braked.

Find for dirtbikes and a quad but will suck at anything bigger.
 
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