a solution to the oversize spare:

Broccoli Iglesias · Jan 12, 2010

so, i got this: http://tiregate.com/hg_series_0.shtml

it fits perfect, and looks good. I didnt take any pics yet because i have to relocate the license plate using their kit, but i cant figure out how to take those damn license plate bulbs out, so i can pull the cables.

I have 225/70/16 tires

the cost: from tire gate: $690 with license plate relocation kit included.
From Truck candy: $690 for the tire gate plus $84 for the license plate kit.

It also has an extension for the trailer hitch.

If i cant figure out how to get those cables out tomorrow, i will stop by the dealership and ask them to do it for me.

Heres a link to their pics if you want to check them out. I will be posting my pics as soon as its all set uphttp://tiregate.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1023

koolkatken83 · Jan 12, 2010

Would love to see pics of this when you get everything done. Looks like a very good product. Could have saved yourself a little money by buying the rear Multicarrier System (bumper with tire carrier) for $650. Which replaces the whole bumper but you get the tire carrier and integrated receiver hitch.

http://www.kenmtnac.com/Patriot.html

Earthworm51 · Jan 12, 2010

Question, why won't your spare fit where the spare is supposed to go?

ilflyya · Jan 12, 2010

Earthworm51 said:
Question, why won't your spare fit where the spare is supposed to go?

Tire is too wide. I have 215/70R-16's and my full size spare wouldn't fit.

I'd buy Tiregate too simply for the fact that they know how to market and they look like they're in the business.

Earthworm51 · Jan 12, 2010

I forgot my tire sizes. I have four Cooper STTs on 16 inch rims and four Toyo ATs on 17 inch rims, oh, and the original Goodyear 17 inch spare. Sounds like a nice tire rack.

BWheeler · Jan 12, 2010

A bit pricey but the design and functionality looks good...
Gotta save some bucks to get something like this tire carrier...

Tony1911 · Jan 12, 2010

What, nobody has mentioned this yet?

:worthless:

I would personally be quite keen on seeing the end result... And I imagine I am not the only one.

Krakrak · Jan 12, 2010

How much does this thing weight with the tire on? Remember that the maximum tongue weight is 300lbs (with the tow prep group) and 100lbs without.

By the look of it (it looks like it's made of thick steel) must be at least 50lbs or more?

Krakrak · Jan 12, 2010

Found this on another jeep forum (www. ausjeepoffroad .com/forum/showthread.php?t=86609):

Hi John, the Hitchgate is tow rated up to 7500 lbs and a max. tongue wt of 750 lbs. The one thing the user needs to know is the weight of the Hitchgate and tire has to be accounted for on the Veh. tow hitch. Example: If the Hitchgate (100lbs) and wheel/tire (75lbs) weigh 175 total, and the vehicles hitch capacity is 750 lbs then they only have 575 lbs remaining for the trailers tongue weight. Bob - Wilco Automotive Products, Inc

At about 175lbs, it's too heavy to use without the tow prep group, and even with it it leaves you with only 125lbs tongue weight to spare.

Also this is frightening:

I'm not interested in the tiregate but I make this observation for what it's worth. If you were to attach a tow bar tounge with the tow ball to the tiregate you would be increasing the lever arm distance from the point where the vehicle towbar is bolted to the car to the point of application of the tounge weight substantially. Could be twice the distance which for example, if twice the distance the tounge load would be decreased by half ie. the 327kg down load would be reduced to 163kg. If the distance was more than double (subject to actual tiregate dimensions), the load would be reduced proportionately. This increase in lever arm length will transfer severe stress through to the connection to the vehicle which is also transferred through to the car sub frame.
We have already seen reports that cracking at the sub frame can occur.
I think that towing anything other than a lighly loaded trailer could cause problems

Dawson · Jan 12, 2010

Krakrak said:
At about 175lbs, it's too heavy to use without the tow prep group, and even with it it leaves you with only 125lbs tongue weight to spare.

This is not entirely accurate... Tongue weight rating assumes there will be a trailer in tow. Tongue weight rating is NOT a rating of what the hitch itself can carry. It's safe to say even a class II hitch will carry hundreds of pounds if mounted properly, however, whatever you're carrying should be deducted from your total gross weight rating, meaning less can be carried inside the vehicle.

The reason there is a different tongue weight rating for the tow prep package is the reality that a larger trailer (greater tongue weight) will place additional strain on the vehicle and the oil cooler should be used along with the hitch receiver (the only items added with two prep over a stock Pat). This is kind of deceiving since tongue weight rating typically takes the hitch capacity into account, not necessarily the vehicle equipment (it's reasonable to assume if you have a Class III/IV hitch, your vehicle can handle large loads - but this is not reality.

SO, to summarize, you can carry more than 100# on the hitch without tow prep, however, this should be considered in your maximum carrying capacity. Since the tire is relatively the same weight as a stock full-size, the weight of the carrier is all you're adding to the Pat. Meaning, you can carry 100# less on the vehicle. And, without the two prep package, I would venture to say you'd be alright still towing a trailer up to 100# tongue weight, since the weight of the carrier is essentially a load on the vehicle, and the trailer tongue weight is not going to break the hitch off... If you had the tow prep package, pulling a trailer with 300# tongue weight shouldn't be an issue either because, again, the hitch itself can carry the weight (verify what your hitch can carry).

Does this make any sense?

Broccoli Iglesias · Jan 12, 2010

a few answers to the questions above:

How much does this thing weight with the tire on? Remember that the maximum tongue weight is 300lbs (with the tow prep group) and 100lbs without.

By the look of it (it looks like it's made of thick steel) must be at least 50lbs or more?

-the hitch gate weights about 80-86lbs, with the tire included it is still under 150lbs

Would love to see pics of this when you get everything done. Looks like a very good product. Could have saved yourself a little money by buying the rear Multicarrier System (bumper with tire carrier) for $650. Which replaces the whole bumper but you get the tire carrier and integrated receiver hitch.

-the reason why i didnt get the custom metal bumper is cuz the hitchgate can go with me to another truck, jeep or whatever i buy. Or when i sell the jeep i can re-sell it on ebay. The custom bumper is just a bumper and stays with the jeep.

I decided to run the wires (for the license plate) from the rear light, now i need to figure out witch of the 3 wires is the one for the driving light. i was going to do it tonight, but its too cold outside, i will do it tomorrow in my friends garage.

if you guys want to order one, and we can get 2 or 3 people, maybe more, i can call them and try to talk them into giving you free shipping (shipping depends on how far away you live from cali)

Broccoli Iglesias · Jan 12, 2010

Dawson said:
This is not entirely accurate... Tongue weight rating assumes there will be a trailer in tow. Tongue weight rating is NOT a rating of what the hitch itself can carry. It's safe to say even a class II hitch will carry hundreds of pounds if mounted properly, however, whatever you're carrying should be deducted from your total gross weight rating, meaning less can be carried inside the vehicle.

The reason there is a different tongue weight rating for the tow prep package is the reality that a larger trailer (greater tongue weight) will place additional strain on the vehicle and the oil cooler should be used along with the hitch receiver (the only items added with two prep over a stock Pat). This is kind of deceiving since tongue weight rating typically takes the hitch capacity into account, not necessarily the vehicle equipment (it's reasonable to assume if you have a Class III/IV hitch, your vehicle can handle large loads - but this is not reality.

SO, to summarize, you can carry more than 100# on the hitch without tow prep, however, this should be considered in your maximum carrying capacity. Since the tire is relatively the same weight as a stock full-size, the weight of the carrier is all you're adding to the Pat. Meaning, you can carry 100# less on the vehicle. And, without the two prep package, I would venture to say you'd be alright still towing a trailer up to 100# tongue weight, since the weight of the carrier is essentially a load on the vehicle, and the trailer tongue weight is not going to break the hitch off... If you had the tow prep package, pulling a trailer with 300# tongue weight shouldn't be an issue either because, again, the hitch itself can carry the weight (verify what your hitch can carry).

Does this make any sense?

according to the instructions, the weight of the tire gate counts towards the tongue weight.

Dawson · Jan 13, 2010

Broccoli Iglesias said:
according to the instructions, the weight of the tire gate counts towards the tongue weight.

IF you were going to have a trailer on - otherwise there is no "tongue" weight to consider...

ilflyya · Jan 13, 2010

I wonder how much my tongue weighs

jnunes13 · Jan 13, 2010

It says its for a 2 inch receiver... isn't the pats only 1.25?

koolkatken83 · Jan 13, 2010

Broccoli Iglesias said:
-the reason why i didnt get the custom metal bumper is cuz the hitchgate can go with me to another truck, jeep or whatever i buy. Or when i sell the jeep i can re-sell it on ebay. The custom bumper is just a bumper and stays with the jeep.

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Good Thinking!

Dawson · Jan 13, 2010

jnunes13 said:
It says its for a 2 inch receiver... isn't the pats only 1.25?

The stock receiver is 1.25", but you can mount a 2" to it no problem, which accommodates more aftermarket accessories (i.e. bike racks, platform racks, etc).

dixiedawg · Jan 13, 2010

I really like the idea, but only if it would allow more room in the cargo area. The Pat's cargo area could be at least 6 inches deeper if they had those stock. I guess if your spare doesn't fit it's an option for you, but mine fits.

Broccoli Iglesias · Jan 14, 2010

calocedrus_decurrens · Jan 14, 2010

It's asking for a Password on the first picture, but all the others show up....

It's a solution, however I just don't like the placement. Seems to high, and sticks out too far. I think someone could weld a more custom solution based on the same principles and physics of this design.

Congrats though, I believe you are the first to use this on the forum!

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Dawson

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ilflyya

jnunes13

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Dawson

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