I'm not really sure how to discribe it, but it sounds like creeking or rattling to me. I think it might be something with the suspension, but I don't know. Anyway, when it is really cold out, like -10C to -15C our Patriot creeks or rattles when we turn corners for the first 2-3 mins. After we drive a bit and the car has a chanse to warm up it goes away. It only happens for the first couple corners really and occurs while turning left or right. Dose anyone else have this issue? It's driving my wife nuts.....
Creeking/rattling under the hood while turning? Very Cold Weather
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I'm not really sure how to discribe it, but it sounds like creeking or rattling to me. I think it might be something with the suspension, but I don't know. Anyway, when it is really cold out, like -10C to -15C our Patriot creeks or rattles when we turn corners for the first 2-3 mins. After we drive a bit and the car has a chanse to warm up it goes away. It only happens for the first couple corners really and occurs while turning left or right. Dose anyone else have this issue? It's driving my wife nuts.....
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same here
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was it like a gurgleing noise?
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-10 or -15? I would suggest just turning the radio up a bit, or, better yet, distract her by asking is she going to shovel the driveway so you can watch the hockey game....
same problem here
I have the same problem - this is the second time it is back to the dealer to be looked at. The first time we took it in, got warm that day and then didn't make the noise. Hope it stays cold so mechanic can hear the noise too. Anyway, have you gotten any response and/or any idea what the problem may be, so I can let the mechanic know what he should be looking for??
I have the same problem - this is the second time it is back to the dealer to be looked at. The first time we took it in, got warm that day and then didn't make the noise. Hope it stays cold so mechanic can hear the noise too. Anyway, have you gotten any response and/or any idea what the problem may be, so I can let the mechanic know what he should be looking for??
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nice one! but she already shovels the driveway - hehehe.
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Sorry, no idea. I'm not taking it to the dealer until I have some idea what it might be. Looking here for some help.... at least it's good to know that it not just our Patriot.
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not like gurgleing... more like a rattle. It's only when you turn at speed above 15-20km. That's what made me think it might be suspension related, because the more g-force stress put on the turn the more likely to hear the rattle/creeking.
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Temp here is about 4 Degrees...My Patriot makes those noises also...The Patriot has "Neon" like symptoms....
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We just traded in our "neon" for this Patriot... our "neon" never made those noises.... we did have a cylinder that crapped out on us though.. hope that doesn't happen to the Patriot.
"neon" = Dodge SX after 2002 in Canada, we had a 2003 SX
OK, My 2010 Patriot which I have only owned for 6 WEEKS is still at the dealer! They actually heard the noise this morning, but after 4/5 turns, did not hear it again and apparently cannot fix until they replicate the sound once more. They are thinking it may be something wrong with the "drive line", whatever that is, but are hoping to hear sound again tomorrow. Will let you know what they decide is the problem and/or how they fix it. For once, I am hoping it stays cold so the noise keeps happening!
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If it only makes the sound when it's cold-soaked, and stops after a few turns, I'd wager it's lubrication related. The seals may be tightening up and becomming less flexible in the cold. Once the shaft goes through a few extend-compress cycles you would get some lube on the shaft and the friction would heat up the seal lips somewhat. In my motocross days we called this "Sticktion". An easy experiment could prove this one way or the other. Try shooting some WD40 on the strut shaft in the morning, or maybe the night before. My girls Focus does the same thing, only lasts a few miles, then it's fine. My Pat has never made any noises that I consider unusual. It's never seen anything below about -5f, and then all I could hear were the heater fan and my teeth chattering!
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This makes more sence to me then it being an issue with the driveline. When the temp is low and I drive slowly through the parking garage there is no noise. But when you speed up a bit more after exiting the parking garage and turn the noise is present. If the cause was the drive line I'm not sure this would be the case, i think it would be there regardless of the speed.... correct me if I'm wrong.
I'm going to try your suggestion the next time it's really cold (provided I can figure out where to put the lubrication). It's not going to get that cold here again for a week or so I think, so it might be a while before I can update the situation. Maybe someone else with the same problem will be able to try it out before me and let us all know if it works.
I got my Jeep back today. Mechanic said they "re-torqued" the axle, explaining that they basically took apart and put back together, making sure everything was tight. My invoice states they "inspected front end and steering torque, all K-frame bolts, torque all caliper mount bolts, recheck lugnut torque, torque front axle bolts". Service advisor states this should solve the problem and that noise was not heard today after doing above. However, it was over 30 degrees this morning and my vehicle seems to only make the noise when it is under 20. He says if this does not solve the problem then he thinks it is an internal problem w/the axle, so replacing the axle is the next step. Not supposed to be cold again until after the weekend, so won't know for sure if this worked or not for a few days. Also, asked again about it possibly being lubrication problem and gave info posted by Afmcronnie, but was told that if this was the case then noise would not only happen when turning....Personally, I think it would be worth a try as I don't think the Jeep mechanics actually know what the problem is and are only guessing at this point.
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I remember reading a TSB about the torque link mount bolts coming loose. I thought that was for '08's, though. I have also read posts on here about the torque link bushings going bad early. If it was the McPherson strut, it would be aggravated during a turn, I would think, although it would seem like it would also make the noise if you hit bump. In a turn, one shaft would EXTEND, pulling a section of the shaft already lubricated across the seal, in effect, lubricating it. The other side would compress, having the opposite effect. Also, I would have asked him if the fasteners he re-torqued magically became tighter after a few turns, stopping the noise? At any rate, if it only does it for a short time, and only when very cold, I dont think I'd worry too much. Metal, lubricants and rubber seals all interact in different ways when exposed to extreme cold. Now if you hear a loud clunking noise when turning, especially if its up or down a small incline, and it does it ALOT, then worry. A ripped boot on the CV joint can cause serious problems. Like dirt, sand and small pebbles in the CV joint. VERY bad news.
Update on front end noise when cold....I previously reported that parts on my 2010 Patriot had been "re-torqued" and I was told this would fix the problem. However, it certainly did NOT fix the problem, as noise is still present and seems to be getting louder as the temperature drops. Have an appointment for my vehicle to go back in (third time now) tomorrow - they are going to replace the front axle and have assured me this will solve the problem. Just as an FYI, I did contact Jeep w/the problem as I seem to not be the only one who has this situation - wondering if maybe this is a recall issue or some other malfunction of the 10 Patriot?? Customer Service at Jeep were not the friendliest, but at least the problem has now been reported and can be monitored..... will update once I know if this is the solution.
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I hope this solves the problem for you. I haven't had the noise happen again, but it's not that cold here right now. I wonder how much it costs to replace the front axel? Seems like a big job.
Let us know if this works.
Also, what are you driving while your patriot is in the shop? did they give you a loaner? or do you have a second car?
Got the jeep back yesterday and I did not have a noise this morning, however, it was a lot warmer today so noise would not have happened anyway. I will certainly update you once we get the cold weather again. I don't know how much it cost to fix it as it was covered under warranty, however, it did only take a little over an hour to fix. As far as what I was driving while repairs were being made.....we pretty much just used one vehicle w/my husband having to pick me up/drop me off at work (pretty inconvenient seeing as I work 40 min from home). The dealer did provide a vehicle one of the days (after argument from my husband). I did contact Jeep w/the issue and requested vehicle to use through them, but was denied as I did not purchase the extended service warranty. I guess when I bought the vehicle I did not anticipate having problems w/it only a few weeks after purchase and felt the 3yr/36,000 mile + 5yr/100,000 mile warranty was more than adequate. Needless to say, I am disappointed w/the customer service, or lack thereof, that I have received. I really feel that both Jeep and the dealer should have gone out of their way to accomodate me, seeing as this is a brand new vehicle and we had problems after only 1 1/2 weeks of owning. Oh well, guess the days of good customer service are in the past. At this point, I will just be happy if the problem is fixed! Like I said before, I will keep you updated once weather gets cold again....
Update on noise under hood....invoice from last week indicates dealer "found left axle snaps when turning left, replaced left axle halfshaft" and "replaced left axle assy". Today was first day below 20 degrees since repair was done and the problem CONTINUES. So, replacing the left axle is NOT a solution to this problem. Unfortunately, my service advisor is out of office until Thursday so don't know what the next step may be....anyone have any other ideas I could run past the service advisor???
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My 09 has this same problem, when the temp is below about 50F. I took it in a few times just after I bought it last Feb., but they were only able to hear it once and then couldn't duplicate it. They supposedly put some lube on something, no joy. Mine sounds like a creaking noise, especially when the steering wheel is turned left, after about 1 or 1.5 turns of the wheel. It also does when the wheel is turned to the right, but not as badly. Can't hear it when turning at higher speeds, but then I haven't turned the steering wheel that far when going faster than about 10mph so....
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