FDI VS FDII???

Boostedxt · Dec 26, 2009

johnda said:
As far as I can see, The car in the link you asked about is an FDI with CVT and 4WD. I do not see the "Off Road" badge, which would make it an FDII. Too bad the transmission lever picture didn't show the bottom and only showed the Park indication. In any case it sure looks like an FDI, 4WD car with the tire package.

the car doesnt have an auto stick. it drops to drive and i think 2nd and then stops.

I will stick to those trails...and I will do them very rarely.

joe

Tony1911 · Dec 28, 2009

Afmcronnie said:
The REAL difference is the 19:1 crawl ratio and the software programming. The real ISSUE is do you want to spend the $2000+ for those items?

I'd just like to point out that lower gearing and limited slip differentials (well, their equivalents) on both axles for $2k doesn't actually sound terribly expensive compared to aftermarket modification prices of other vehicles. Plus you do get all the other goodies you'd have to pay extra to install into an FDI, like tow hooks and skid plates. Just because they can be added to an FDI Patriot doesn't make them free.

suzq044 · Dec 28, 2009

I would say the FWD patriot is good for trail-riding, but I would at least opt for the skid-plates. Something we miss with ours. If we could do it again, we'd have gone with the FDII and/or manual transmission.

homac · Dec 28, 2009

In my mind if you are going to by a CVT/Automatic anyway, you may as well also get the "Trail Rated" model.

The FDI 4x4 or 4x2 (Manual) is great from a fuel economy perspective, yet still having offroad potential.

Stew · Dec 28, 2009

The Luigiian said:
People say the FDII gets far worse mpg, but I have my doubts. According to the EPA, the Patriot with FDI and CVT gets 22 mpg while the FDII Patriot gets 21. Meanwhile, the manual gets 25 mpg with awd or fwd.

Basically, it's not FDII but rather the CVT that kills fuel economy. If you're cross shopping a 4x4 manual with a FDII CVT a lot of reviewers and owners would say avoid the CVT specifically.

I think if the Pat came with a manual and the low gear/transfer case it would probably get 24/25 mpg. As it is, I'd either get FDII or a manual awd.

Actually the hwy mileage is 22 for the FDII, 24 for the FDI CVT and 27 or 28 for the FDI 5 speed, My 5 speed generally averages 26MPG with spikes at around 31-32.

UPKEV · Dec 28, 2009

Boostedxt said:
I know the differences and I will be doing VERY light offroading. as in to camp sites down somewhat maintained roads and things like that. I would assume the FDI will do just fine, but I like the idea of the FDII. The only reason for not getting the FDII is form what I can tell the gas mileage stinks. Part of why I am buying the Pat is because of the MPG.

thoughts?

joe

Sounds like you have all the information you really need. Here are my experiences with the FDII. Without my roof basket and with 0w20 in the engine I get 23/24 and even sometimes 25 mpgs in the summer on the highway with light mixed traffic with conservative driving. See numerous other threads on FDII gas mileage. With my basket on and with 5w20 the 20/22 holds pretty accurate.

My opinion is that if you can live with gas mileage the FDII is far superior in many ways. That extra inch of ground clearance is a function of taller and stiffer springs this provides you the ability to carry more weight without sag, and makes all the asethetic difference in the way the vehicle carries itself. In my opinion if you park at FDII next to an FDI (which I have done many times) it is very apparant (at least to me) that the FDII carries itself like an SUV and the FDI carries itself more like a car based crossover (which both are).

Skid plates and tow hooks are another big piece of assurance that was well worth the cost of the package.

Engine cooler and HD alternator all good.

You can do a search get quite a few of these threads.

If you rarely think you would every use the FDII features then it makes sense to really consider the FDI as it is less expensive and more fuel efficient. From what you really described above the FDI is more than enough for you, but if you think your eye might get turned a little out there in the woods when you are camping towards some of those muddy two tracks, you might want to consider the FDII.

Stew · Dec 28, 2009

My FDI does very well in mud and snow and on ice. It has far exceded my expectaions. THe 2 issues I have had is ground clearence and wishing for more pep in the engine. If they made an FDII with the 5 seed that would be my choice, if I had to go with a CVT and could afford the extra bill, I'd say give the FDII no doubt.

poppi · Dec 30, 2009

Here is data that I calculated on 11/2009 comparing the 2010 4x4 Sport FD1CVT2 & FD2CVT2L with no additional packages:

FD1CVT2 will initially cost $700 less than the FD2 CVT2L based on MSRP.
FD1CVT2 will initially cost $600 less than the FD2CVT2L based on Invoice.
FD1CVT2 was $700 less than the FD2CVT2L based on Lowest purchase price.
FD1CVT2 is $1800 less to operate than the FD2CVT2L with gas at $3/gal over 150K miles, $2,500 less with gas at $4/gal and $3000 less at $5/gal.150,000 mi/ 20,000 mi/yr = 7.5 years = $240-$400 less per year with gas between $3 and $5/gal respectively to operate the FD1 CVT2 over the FD2CVT2L.
(The CVT2L has the following unique items that cannot be upgraded on the CVT2: Trail Rated 4 Wheel Low, HD springs with factory approved 9” road clearance, Hill Descent Control, Hill Start Assist, and water-fording sealant)

FDI VS FDII???

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