2.0L VW Patriot Major Issue

milspectees · Mar 30, 2016

cherkhan said:
I would have to believe in fairies for that to happen

Yes, well aware that rubber deteriorates. But like I have said, I cannot find any evidence that the belts are a problem with the Patriot. THAT is all I am saying about the belt changes. Absolutely no idea where Jeep got 90k or 10 years but must be some reasoning behind it as the service manuals are still saying that. Despite there being a clip I posted the other day stating that 'Jeep contacted known owners during 2011/15'.

However, I might just add that these VAG vehicles were probably hammered by the royal sales reps and that is what caused most to bust belts etc.

That is just my 'two penny worth'. I will get it done but not just yet as I have other work that will need to be done, like the 4WD! checked and looking like the power steering rack will need doing as play on the arms. That was a 'heads up' on my last MOT.

"Steering system has slight free play detected at steering wheel (2.2.A.1b)" is the common advisory seen on the Patriot.

The good news for you is that it isn't the steering rack (although a dealer will tell you it is and take £1,000 from you), it is the inner tie (track) rods - the knuckles go - and they cost less that 20 Great British Pounds each (you should always change both) and 2-3 hours labor. You can not buy the inner rods from Jeep, they don't list them as a part hence they want to sell you the complete rack but you can get them from almost anywhere and Blueprint do them. Just be careful where you get them done. Ask the garage if they have a slide on knuckle removal tool otherwise you will take the chance of them damaging the rack and not being able to torque up the new ones correctly.

Jeeva · Jan 2, 2018

Hello,
I have a Jeep Patriot CRD 2008 model that has a VW diesel engine. The VIN number for my Jeep 1j8f728y18d532401. I bought my jeep second hand about 3 years ago and I have had this problem ever since I bought the car. It is a very intermittent problem.

When I run my Jeep to wherever I am going and the temperature of the engine is half way between Hot and Cold (running temperature). Then if I start the car between 45min to an 1 hour after the car had stopped (sometimes) the starter grinds the flywheel or the solenoid engages the starter to the flywheel, but cannot turn the engine. Now to get the engine to start I engage 3rd gear and push the car a few centimetres before starting the car again; the car starts with no problem.

This does not happen every time though, maybe once every 2 or 3 months. I have changed the starter motor and solenoid, starter relay and battery twice. I used to have the moo valve granting every time I stopped the engine but I don’t hear it any more. It must have fixed itself!
Otherwise the engine runs smoothly, but the engine is very loud compared to petrol engines. It blows black smoke when starting up slops, when the accelerator is about half way down or more. I feel the engine might be a little sluggish, but I am not sure as I did not have the car from new. I use about 9 to 10 litters for every 100Km driving around Brisbane city. Which is not too bad I think?

How do I fix this intermittent starting problem? Anyone have any ideas or had this similar problem?

Jeeva · Jan 2, 2018

Starting Issues with Jeep Patriot CRD

milspectees said:
Considering that Jeep know absolutely nothing about this engine nor do they have any interest in it except to sell you parts at 3 times the price you get them from TPS and that VW manufactured and it is in millions of VW/Audi products and the parts are EXACTLY the same, you listen to Jeep because they know best right. Jeep are full of crap. 60k/7 years is the correct interval in every VAG product with that engine not 90k/10

You've had advice from someone who knows this engine inside out and all the problems you are likely to get. Your car, your money.

Hello,
I have a Jeep Patriot CRD 2008 model that has a VW diesel engine. The VIN number for my Jeep 1j8f728y18d532401. I bought my jeep second hand about 3 years ago and I have had this problem ever since I bought the car. It is a very intermittent problem.
When I run my Jeep to wherever I am going and the temperature of the engine is half way between Hot and Cold (running temperature). Then if I start the car between 45min to an 1 hour after the car had stopped (sometimes) the starter grinds the flywheel or the solenoid engages the starter to the flywheel, but cannot turn the engine. Now to get the engine to start I engage 3rd gear and push the car a few centimetres before starting the car again; the car starts with no problem.
This does not happen every time though, maybe once every 2 or 3 months. I have changed the starter motor and solenoid, starter relay and battery twice. I used to have the moo valve granting every time I stopped the engine but I don’t hear it any more. It must have fixed itself!
Otherwise the engine runs smoothly, but the engine is very loud compared to petrol engines. It blows black smoke when starting up slops, when the accelerator is about half way down or more. I feel the engine might be a little sluggish, but I am not sure as I did not have the car from new. I use about 9 to 10 litters for every 100Km driving around Brisbane city. Which is not too bad I think?
How do I fix this intermittent starting problem? Anyone have any ideas or had this similar problem?:smile2:

pahiker · Jan 2, 2018

Jeeva said:
Hello,
I have a Jeep Patriot CRD 2008 model that has a VW diesel engine. The VIN number for my Jeep 1j8f728y18d532401. I bought my jeep second hand about 3 years ago and I have had this problem ever since I bought the car. It is a very intermittent problem.
When I run my Jeep to wherever I am going and the temperature of the engine is half way between Hot and Cold (running temperature). Then if I start the car between 45min to an 1 hour after the car had stopped (sometimes) the starter grinds the flywheel or the solenoid engages the starter to the flywheel, but cannot turn the engine. Now to get the engine to start I engage 3rd gear and push the car a few centimetres before starting the car again; the car starts with no problem.
This does not happen every time though, maybe once every 2 or 3 months. I have changed the starter motor and solenoid, starter relay and battery twice. I used to have the moo valve granting every time I stopped the engine but I don’t hear it any more. It must have fixed itself!
Otherwise the engine runs smoothly, but the engine is very loud compared to petrol engines. It blows black smoke when starting up slops, when the accelerator is about half way down or more. I feel the engine might be a little sluggish, but I am not sure as I did not have the car from new. I use about 9 to 10 litters for every 100Km driving around Brisbane city. Which is not too bad I think?
How do I fix this intermittent starting problem? Anyone have any ideas or had this similar problem?:smile2:

Perhaps a missing/broken tooth on the flywheel? My parent's Buick would behave like that, it would start without issue 98% of the time, then it would act like the starter was spinning free or make a grinding noise. Dealer checked/replaced a number of items before they discovered the flywheel had a tooth broken off.

nordraw · Jan 2, 2018

What year does Patriot have this VW motor? This is a diesel?

Jeeva · Jan 3, 2018

Thank you pahiker. I would like check the teeth on the flywheel but it is hard to turn the engine manually. The engine bay is so crowded it is hard to do anything. Not the easiest engine to work with. Car manufacturers should design cars for maintainability.

vesto · Jan 3, 2018

Jeeva said:
Hello,
I have a Jeep Patriot CRD 2008 model that has a VW diesel engine. The VIN number for my Jeep 1j8f728y18d532401. I bought my jeep second hand about 3 years ago and I have had this problem ever since I bought the car. It is a very intermittent problem.
When I run my Jeep to wherever I am going and the temperature of the engine is half way between Hot and Cold (running temperature). Then if I start the car between 45min to an 1 hour after the car had stopped (sometimes) the starter grinds the flywheel or the solenoid engages the starter to the flywheel, but cannot turn the engine. Now to get the engine to start I engage 3rd gear and push the car a few centimetres before starting the car again; the car starts with no problem.
This does not happen every time though, maybe once every 2 or 3 months. I have changed the starter motor and solenoid, starter relay and battery twice. I used to have the moo valve granting every time I stopped the engine but I don’t hear it any more. It must have fixed itself!
Otherwise the engine runs smoothly, but the engine is very loud compared to petrol engines. It blows black smoke when starting up slops, when the accelerator is about half way down or more. I feel the engine might be a little sluggish, but I am not sure as I did not have the car from new. I use about 9 to 10 litters for every 100Km driving around Brisbane city. Which is not too bad I think?
How do I fix this intermittent starting problem? Anyone have any ideas or had this similar problem?:smile2:

I guess your flywheel are worn, or as someone else said, missing some teeth..
Diesel's are "always" noisier than a petrol enging!

9 - 10 liters pr 100 km is way to much for this enginge, mine uses around 7 liters + - pr 100 km around cities.

It shouldn't make black smoke this engine, but do you have a "powerbox" or some other chiptuning? That could make some smoke.
And it's black smoke, not blue ish? If it's more blue, it could be your turbocharger... How many kilometres has the car gone?

vesto · Jan 3, 2018

Jeeva said:
Hello,
I have a Jeep Patriot CRD 2008 model that has a VW diesel engine. The VIN number for my Jeep 1j8f728y18d532401. I bought my jeep second hand about 3 years ago and I have had this problem ever since I bought the car. It is a very intermittent problem.
When I run my Jeep to wherever I am going and the temperature of the engine is half way between Hot and Cold (running temperature). Then if I start the car between 45min to an 1 hour after the car had stopped (sometimes) the starter grinds the flywheel or the solenoid engages the starter to the flywheel, but cannot turn the engine. Now to get the engine to start I engage 3rd gear and push the car a few centimetres before starting the car again; the car starts with no problem.
This does not happen every time though, maybe once every 2 or 3 months. I have changed the starter motor and solenoid, starter relay and battery twice. I used to have the moo valve granting every time I stopped the engine but I don’t hear it any more. It must have fixed itself!
Otherwise the engine runs smoothly, but the engine is very loud compared to petrol engines. It blows black smoke when starting up slops, when the accelerator is about half way down or more. I feel the engine might be a little sluggish, but I am not sure as I did not have the car from new. I use about 9 to 10 litters for every 100Km driving around Brisbane city. Which is not too bad I think?
How do I fix this intermittent starting problem? Anyone have any ideas or had this similar problem?:smile2:

I guess your flywheel are worn, or as someone else said, missing some teeth..
Diesel's are "always" noisier than a petrol engine!

9 - 10 liters pr 100 km is way to much for this enginge, mine uses around 7 liters + - pr 100 km around cities.

It shouldn't make black smoke this engine, but do you have a "powerbox" or some other chiptuning? That could make some smoke.
And it's black smoke, not blue ish? If it's more blue, it could be your turbocharger... How many kilometres has the car gone?

Jeeva · Jan 5, 2018

Thank you for your feedback vesto. I am wondering what is the best way to turn the engine after taking out starter motor to check flywheel. The front end of the engine is so close to the wheel arch. Do you know the best way to turn the engine to check flywheel?

The liters per hundred kilometers on the dash says 8.1 but when I check mileage to the diesel I pour in the tank I get about 9.4L per 100Km. Something is not right I will keep checking.
It is definitely black smoke when I go up a hill from stop when accelerator more the half way down.
I need to check more engine data from the OBD11 connector. What is the best software to use to check, reset and maybe adjust values? Has anyone got a good software for Jeep Patriot VW diesel engine?

milspectees · Feb 19, 2018

Jeeva said:
Hello,
I have a Jeep Patriot CRD 2008 model that has a VW diesel engine. The VIN number for my Jeep 1j8f728y18d532401. I bought my jeep second hand about 3 years ago and I have had this problem ever since I bought the car. It is a very intermittent problem.
When I run my Jeep to wherever I am going and the temperature of the engine is half way between Hot and Cold (running temperature). Then if I start the car between 45min to an 1 hour after the car had stopped (sometimes) the starter grinds the flywheel or the solenoid engages the starter to the flywheel, but cannot turn the engine. Now to get the engine to start I engage 3rd gear and push the car a few centimetres before starting the car again; the car starts with no problem.
This does not happen every time though, maybe once every 2 or 3 months. I have changed the starter motor and solenoid, starter relay and battery twice. I used to have the moo valve granting every time I stopped the engine but I don’t hear it any more. It must have fixed itself!
Otherwise the engine runs smoothly, but the engine is very loud compared to petrol engines. It blows black smoke when starting up slops, when the accelerator is about half way down or more. I feel the engine might be a little sluggish, but I am not sure as I did not have the car from new. I use about 9 to 10 litters for every 100Km driving around Brisbane city. Which is not too bad I think?
How do I fix this intermittent starting problem? Anyone have any ideas or had this similar problem?:smile2:

Your starter problem is the dual mass flywheel

You should be getting around 7 urban driving not 9 or 10 and around 5.5 on a run.

The black smoke is either a bad injector or the seals on an injector have gone. Go to a Bosch injector place and have them reconditioned.

milspectees · Feb 19, 2018

Jeeva said:
Thank you for your feedback vesto. I am wondering what is the best way to turn the engine after taking out starter motor to check flywheel. The front end of the engine is so close to the wheel arch. Do you know the best way to turn the engine to check flywheel?

The liters per hundred kilometers on the dash says 8.1 but when I check mileage to the diesel I pour in the tank I get about 9.4L per 100Km. Something is not right I will keep checking.
It is definitely black smoke when I go up a hill from stop when accelerator more the half way down.
I need to check more engine data from the OBD11 connector. What is the best software to use to check, reset and maybe adjust values? Has anyone got a good software for Jeep Patriot VW diesel engine?

There is no decent software. Generic stuff is useless The jeep diagnostics do not give you the info you need and you can't use VW software as there is a firewall on the ECU put there by Bosch on Jeep's behalf. A proper Bosch reconditioning facility can read the ecu AND check your timing. Read about the BKD engine in VW Golfs related to timing issues and you'll get the idea why you shouldn't mess with this engine. Seriously, DO NOT MESS WITH THIS ENGINE or let anyone who doesn't have a LOT of experience with VW PD engines to go anywhere near it.

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