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#4 ·
It won't do heavy rock stuff, but if set up right it can do small log whoop de do's, and many mild trails.
 
#6 ·
jeepheadva757 said:
I'm asking this question because the Jeep dealer said the Patriot can do 98 percent the Jeep Wrangler can do
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I would say it would be more like 60% and even then that would require FDII better tires and a few other things.

If you aren't looking at rock crawling and mud bogging you will do just fine don't expect miracles that's all
 
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Tyler-98-W68 said:
I would say it would be more like 60% and even then that would require FDII better tires and a few other things.

If you aren't looking at rock crawling and mud bogging you will do just fine don't expect miracles that's all
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I used my pat for hunting in northern ontario. Lots of logging roads and old washed out logging roads. The pat will get you to alot of places. However it has limitiations... water crossings.. mud.. steep inclines (cvt transmission) deep ruts..

My 4x4 club used a patriot as a support vehicle for bringing in supplies for camping... it could get to the spots.... but was winched alot...



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#10 ·
I've pushed the limits of mine a bit since buying it but nothing extreme. It'll handle more than you expect it to, unless you're expecting it to be a Wrangler. I've had no problems with steep hills (up or down) on anything that even resembled a road (dirt, grass, path). Same with mud and washed out roads. Where things get dicey from what I've seen is anything that is more of a hump of a hill where the midpoint of the vehicle might bottom out. It'll do it, but it won't feel nice and you'll probably be wincing if you don't have skid plates. Same deal with larger rocks, stumps etc. I'd say stay away from them unless you don't mind a potential problem.

Anyway, at the end of the day - It's all what you plan to use the Jeep for. Me? It's my daily commuter and I want something that can do some "soft-roading" on the weekends but I don't have the heart to go beating up my daily drive on rocks. That doesn't mean it isn't totally possible that it could handle the beating :D
 
#11 · (Edited)
If you get the Automatic you don't need FDII, it's crawl ratio is nearly as low as the FDII with the CVT, (in my opinion.) FDI 6AT crawl is 17:1, FDII CVT is 19:1 (FDI CVT is 14:1)

My 6AT FDI will lock a tire in the air no problem. Lock in 4wd, turn off TC/ESC and have fun. It's not going to do hardcore things, but I've covered every logging road, forest road, trail in my area easily. I've been on the top of a few sandy climbs when some lifted jeeps came up, and they were amazed where I was.



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#12 ·
I"ve debated this before but there is still a difference in BLD programming between the FD1 and FDII vehicles, the bit difference is the pressure which is exerted on the wheel spinning.

I have even recreated this with my FDII because it functions exactly like a FDI when not in the FDII specific mode.

You can tell when the FDII mode is active because it actually completely stops the wheels in the air from spinning and provides movement. A FDI does not do this and even if it had the same BLD programming the lower "crawl ratio" doesn't give it enough torque to provide meaningful movement

None of the 3 FDI's I wheeled with could do this obstacle


The point i'm trying to make is there is difference which you can't ignore the FDI does fine, but all things equal the BLD programming on a FDII is entirely different which allows it to navigate obstacles when there is lots of articulation I did this for 8 years I know what they can do. I'm not taking away what your vehicle or anyone else' can or can't do but i'm stating the facts


For 99% of people they probably don't need FDII but there is a difference and they are different offroad
 
#14 ·
5 Speed advantage though, BLD's didn't bog it down as much, its just too bad they weren't as aggressive, I did have the chance to wheel with a 5 speed FDI and it did pretty good
 
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I"ve debated this before but there is still a difference in BLD programming between the FD1 and FDII vehicles, the bit difference is the pressure which is exerted on the wheel spinning.

You can tell when the FDII mode is active because it actually completely stops the wheels in the air from spinning and provides movement.

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Interesting as I've had my driver's side front wheel over 6 inches off the ground and I watched the BLD lock it.

Tyler-98-W68 said:
A FDI does not do this and even if it had the same BLD programming the lower "crawl ratio" doesn't give it enough torque to provide meaningful movement
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Again, 6AT has a lower crawl ratio than an FD1 CVT. Have you wheeled a 6AT FD1?
 
#16 ·
CraveSingletrack said:
I"ve debated this before but there is still a difference in BLD programming between the FD1 and FDII vehicles, the bit difference is the pressure which is exerted on the wheel spinning.

You can tell when the FDII mode is active because it actually completely stops the wheels in the air from spinning and provides movement.
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Interesting as I've had my driver's side front wheel over 6 inches off the ground and I watched the BLD lock it.


I haven't and I don't need to I know exactly how these vehicles behave, I have not seen anyone with a non FDII take videos to show how "amazing" this 17:1 crawl ratio is.

It will lock the tires in the air, not an issue it doesn't lock them the same way as FDII,

What this video


A FDI does not engage BLD's as quick or as aggressive, I took this video 8 years ago, my 2nd FDII had the same behavior.

Look i'm not down playing the FDI Jeeps, but they are not on the same playing field as the FDII I guess i'll go through my tons of hours of video of both my vehicles to show comparisons.




Again, 6AT has a lower crawl ratio than an FD1 CVT. Have you wheeled a 6AT FD1?[/QUOTE]
 
#17 ·
Big time quote fail there. I never said the 6AT's crawl ratio is "amazing" I brought it up after you made a comment that an FDI wouldn't have enough torque even if it did lock a wheel, because of it's crawl ratio.

That's a neat video, although it doesn't really bring anything to the conversation as it only shows what the FDII does, with no comparison to FDI. Honestly you are kind of all over the place here, first you said FDI wouldn't lock a wheel in the air, now it will just not as "aggressively". Look I never said FDI was the same as FDII, you got your panties all in a bunch because I stated that someone doesn't need FDII to do well off road. Which was you know, the point of the thread...
 
Discussion starter · #18 · (Edited)
Thanks Whoistylerkiz, CraveSingletrack, Tyler-98-W68 and ColoradoMan

Good morning all,

I appreciate the awesome information, pictures and videos provided. Not trying to drive over big boulders like a Jeep Wrangler. I just wanted to know how the Patriot handles logging road, forest road and trails with water or mud holes. i think at the end of the day with using either a FD1 or FD2 it's still boils down to the skill of the driver.



Thanks and happy Friday eve!!
 
#19 ·
CraveSingletrack said:
Big time quote fail there. I never said the 6AT's crawl ratio is "amazing" I brought it up after you made a comment that an FDI wouldn't have enough torque even if it did lock a wheel, because of it's crawl ratio.

That's a neat video, although it doesn't really bring anything to the conversation as it only shows what the FDII does, with no comparison to FDI. Honestly you are kind of all over the place here, first you said FDI wouldn't lock a wheel in the air, now it will just not as "aggressively". Look I never said FDI was the same as FDII, you got your panties all in a bunch because I stated that someone doesn't need FDII to do well off road. Which was you know, the point of the thread...
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Actually it does bring things to the conversation. A FDII is exactly like a FDI any time its not in the FDII specific mode (which is gear shifter in L and 4x4 lock enaged)

I probably was in a hurry when I posted so i screwed up the quotes.

A FDI can "stop" a tire in the air stop lock whatever the phrase is, it simply doesn't transfer any meaningful amount of torque to the wheels with traction if you are on any sort of an incline.

As always I've got all the video proof in the world who this stuff works, take your FDI with 17:1 Crawl ratio and prove me wrong. Am I an ass, probably but I have proof and facts to back up what I say lets see some evidence of what you claim is true
 
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Tyler-98-W68 said:
Actually it does bring things to the conversation. A FDII is exactly like a FDI any time its not in the FDII specific mode (which is gear shifter in L and 4x4 lock enaged)

I probably was in a hurry when I posted so i screwed up the quotes.

A FDI can "stop" a tire in the air stop lock whatever the phrase is, it simply doesn't transfer any meaningful amount of torque to the wheels with traction if you are on any sort of an incline.

As always I've got all the video proof in the world who this stuff works, take your FDI with 17:1 Crawl ratio and prove me wrong. Am I an ass, probably but I have proof and facts to back up what I say lets see some evidence of what you claim is true
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You are confusing "proof and facts" with "anecdotal evidence." ... (And again, no one is arguing that FDI equals FDII...)

All of this while you are completely forgetting the reason this post was made.

Still.
 
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