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Ok let me get my get my sandals and tree-hugging-tie-dye-t-shirt on.......:D

E85 while a great idea, gas from corn, falls well short of being a viable alternative to dino gas. There are also supply problems. No infrastructure. Higher prices for corn and therefore E85. Poorer performance (MPG, HP). The only plus, better tail pipe emissions.

Biodiesel does not rely on something that must be grown. Biodesel can be made from sewage, bio-mass, and many other sources. Most of these sources are from trash. You know the stuff we all throw away and flush down the toilet every-single-day. Last time I checked we are the #1 producers of trash and poop. Biodiesel and be easily mixed with dino diesel. While there is a performance drop it is not a significant as dino gas to E85. The infrastructure for biodiesel is already in place. It can use already existing pipelines, trucks, etc. And as long as you have a diesel engine that was built from the 70's to present... NO MODIFICATION IS NEEDED to run biodiesel. Emissions aren't the best but at least you are recycling trash and poop.

How let my take off my sandals and t-shirt and put on my ACUs and ICBs (Army Combat Uniform and Infantry Combat Boots for you non-military folk). For our own National Security, we need to get away from foreign oil all together. Biodiesel is our best bet.

What do you guys/gals think?
 
With my DCUs on I agree 100%.In the desert everybody had diesels but us.All big gas engined Durangos, F Fords etc.The Italians had this little open topped vehicle with no AC and a diesel.Dont know the make but seemed very practical
 
With my BDUs on I agree that bio-diesel is a good way to go... some of which we should snag from the both the golf of Texas and from up off the north slope in Alaska. Drill 'em if ya got 'em.

Corn-gas is not a replacement but a supplement to the existing gas supply... Rather than pay farmer's to grow tabacco why not pay them to switch over to corn? We could get two harvests per year per field and it would make farm land more valuable as farm land and not for housing subdivisions... but those are completely different topics.

With my cargo shorts and T-shirt on, I lean towards the diesel options. Much more fun and punch off-road.
 
I think the political support is more strong for ethanol than biodiesel, so it will probably win between these two.

That said, most of the political hacks are backing the silly notion of a hydrogen economy, so I don't think we'll see much progress at all anytime soon ...
 
Not accurate

Synthetic diesel is just as good as regular diesel. As a matter of fact, the first diesel demonstrated ran on peanut oil. True biodiesel just removes the glyceren from the vegetable oil so it runs cleaner and doesn't gel as quickly in the cold.

It can be mixed with petro diesel in any percentage. I think what you refer to as making it from "trash and poop" is the gasification process. Very experimental and very inefficient. You need to put more energy in than you get out.... yet.

They can make it from animal fat as well. I believe tyson is looking into that with BP and can make it from algea which branson is looking into as well.
 
Delaware Department of Transportation has powered their motor fleet with diesel made from soy beans for several years. I will use it if I am eventually able to get a diesel Patriot.
 
We have been using Biodiesel in our Golf TDI for the last two years. I have been told there is a very slight "hit" on mileage, but I still manage 48 mpg on the highway with no noticeable degradation in performance. As biodiesel is relatively easy to manufacture, there are a number of co-ops etc. beginning to produce product and one should assure that the biodiesel is ASTM and/or BQ-9000 certified.

Jeep has been stuffing Patriots with VW diesels and exporting them (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/firstdrives/209453/jeep_patriot_20.html). The new VW diesel is 50 state approved and VW will be selling these as 2008 models. So there is no "environmental" reason for us, north americans, not to be provided a Patriot diesel.
 
Agreed

You are right. As a matter of fact if you are interested, there is a home brew kit available for about $5000. (last I looked). You hook a garden hose to it, load it with up to 30 gallons of veg oil, do a tritation test to determine ph, add the lye and just let it run for 10 hours. Includes tank, pump, tritation kit and hoses. You get about 80% of oil volume as fuel. It can also convert used veg oil from restraunts. Even with new oil it's cheaper than diesel because you don't pay road tax or sales tax. Soybean oil at the CME yesterday was $.38 per gallon if I read it right. Figure an extra $.30-$.50 to purchase local in bulk and then an 80% return it should cost $1.05 per gallon, not including overhead like delivery charges, your time, water, electricity, etc.

Also remember that you can also use the biodiesel as fuel oil, so if you have an oil furnace, it'll work there too.

Everyone considering this should be careful though. I actually know 3 guys that went in together to get one of these. They got busted by the state on a technicality. You are free to do this and not pay road taxes for your own personal use, but the moment you sell it, or even give it away, you have to collect and pay the road tax and sales tax. The state considerd the sharing as "giving it away" and prosecuted them and won.
 
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