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There have been several websites indicating that the new 2008 Jeep Liberty may have a diesel engine as an option (late availability)....

Just wondering how many would opt for it rather than the Jeep Patriot...

The Liberty diesel would probably have similar gas mileage to the Patriot...longer distance between fill-ups...longer engine life...and have a larger cargo area...more upscale interior and exterior..... but would also cost more...
 
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Significantly more. Like $30k instead of $20k.

Also, while the diesel may last longer, it will likely be more expensive to maintain. There aren't a lot of them around. Parts and labor would be more scarce.

Of course, the Liberty CRD could tow three times the load, and would be more capable off-road. But for an extra 50% in price, it had better. I don't think the two are really comparable.
 
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There was a diesel Liberty. It sold like crazy, but for some reason they took it off the market (I'm guessing because it didn't pass emissions for the 5 green states?)

I remember then announcing a Grand Cherokee diesel at some point, too. The problem is that apparently one of the new processes that makes it the "cleanest diesel ever" wasn't yet EPA approved, so they had to use some old process to test it and it of course failed in the five green states. This is significant since two of the largest car markets (Cali and NY) are green states.

I assume that once they get over that EPA hurdle (I think the EPA was supposed to rule on this soon?), they may start marketing the diesel in the US. It's probably only a matter of time before diesels are available in the US in DCX vehicles.

Give me a JK Unlimited when the diesels come out :)
 
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They aren't in the same category because of the price. The initial cost of the diesel engine will bump it out of my price range.

I am going to look at a stripped out Wrangler 4door as a serious contender. The price is going to be very close to what it will cost me to get the Patriot with the FDII package.

If I could afford the Libbie with diesel than I would look at the Wrangler 4door with a diesel, too. I believe they will be out near the same time. I have nothing to go on only my opinion. I do not work for Jeep, nor does anyone I know.
 
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The Jeep Liberty CRD was a market test to see if people would buy a small diesel SUV in the States. They engine they used will not meet the 'clean diesel' specs.

Since the CRD sold well, I expect them to come out with a new Liberty CRD soon, just with a different engine.

All current Jeeps are available in Europe and elsewhere with diesel engines.
 
Discussion starter · #11 · (Edited)
The Jeep Liberty had the diesel engine option in 2005 and 2006. This was an Italian-made diesel engine. I owned a 2006 Liberty diesel. Due to the fact that it did not meet the new government emissions, it was dropped for 2007. Expectations for sales were about 5000 units...it actually sold over 10,000 units....

For comparison purposes (Note: Canadian gallons not U.S. gallons), the 4WD Liberty diesel was rated at 26 mpg city and 33 highway, compared to the Jeep Compass (and I assume the Patriot) which is rated at 28 city 34 highway....

No, the vehicles aren't in the same category but if one was shopping for a Jeep based on fuel economy, the Liberty diesel might be a good option over the Patriot...especially if you need a larger towing capacity (5000 lbs) vs 2000 lbs (Patriot) and you would like a larger cargo area and more upscale interior/exterior...Yes, it is more expensive than the Patriot but some buyers may be willing to pay more for the differences mentioned above...

In 2007 the Grand Cherokee (all models) will have the option of a diesel engine (Mercedes diesel that is) which will start production in mid January, 2007. It will offer up to 30% increase in fuel economy, and a range of 425 miles between fill-ups...
 
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BigDuke6 said:
The guy here in Missoula who owns AEV has a LJ with the CRD engine in it froma wrecked Liberty. HE LOVES IT! Now, if Jeep would just get it together and offere a diesel in all their rigs, life would be good.
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I would love to put a wrecked Libby CRD into my TJ.:D
 
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The 06 Liberty diesel never did meet emissions for California or NY so it was never sold new in those states. Some dealers brought in used ones, but nobody can pass the 07 federal emissions just yet let alone the other 5 states. For 07 even VW dropped all of its diesel engines, with the exception of the Touraeg and Im not sure thats even actually out yet.
 
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charlieB said:
I thought that had something to do with the way the fuel was formulated,not so much as the engine itself?
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From what I understand... The new formulation is closer to that of european diesel. Europe has been running low-sulfur diesel for years. THe problem is all the new emission standards. The EPA is trying to play catch up.

The 3.0L Blue-Tec (urea in the tail pipe) diesel 'failed' emissions in a couple states when it was running old US diesel. I have a feelling it would have passed with new US diesel. Probably the same thing with the 2.8 CRD in the Libby. At least to sell it in CA/NY until something cleaner comes out.
 
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Diesel is not just about superior fuel economy, the engine is inherently more useful because of its driveability. For example, given the same mountain pass I travel, the Golf TDI, at near the same weight as my Cherokee will hold 5th gear and accelerate, with its 1.9 turbo, while I am forced to downshift to fourth to simply maintain speed with a 4.0. Superior performance and twice the fuel mileage; the turbo diesel engine simply makes a gasser seem downright barbaric. Indeed, I find it difficult to even consider wasting money on another old technology gasser, particularly when the rest of the world will be driving a Patriot with a six speed and turbo diesel.
 
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HighDesert said:
Diesel is not just about superior fuel economy, the engine is inherently more useful because of its driveability. For example, given the same mountain pass I travel, the Golf TDI, at near the same weight as my Cherokee will hold 5th gear and accelerate, with its 1.9 turbo, while I am forced to downshift to fourth to simply maintain speed with a 4.0. Superior performance and twice the fuel mileage; the turbo diesel engine simply makes a gasser seem downright barbaric. Indeed, I find it difficult to even consider wasting money on another old technology gasser, particularly when the rest of the world will be driving a Patriot with a six speed and turbo diesel.
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AND HOW!!!!!!
 
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Low sulfur diesel (500 ppm or less) kept a lot of the best diesel engines out of the US. We finally switched to Ultra Low Sulfur (15 ppm or less) but the emissions standards also changed, keeping away most engines until they comply with the new standards. The difference now is they just have to make them pass, we have the right fuel now just the technology playing catch up. Most manufacturers expect to be ready by the 2008 model year.
 
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